Chris Webber’s ongoing beef with Jalen Rose has kept Michigan’s legendary “Fab Five” from reuniting


– The first time Jalen Rose
met Chris Webber they were 12. Jalen told Chris “You’ve got the sorriest “game I’ve ever seen.” And the way Rose describes it, he and Webber should have been
rivals from that moment on. While Jalen was “taking two
public buses across town at dawn” to attend Detroit’s
Southwestern High School, Chris was starring at the much fancier Detroit Country Day private school. Rose was a well regarded
prospect but Webber got more hype as well as
Michigan’s Mr. Basketball title by a wide margin over
the second place Rose. Envy could have come between them instead, when Webber signed
to join the University of Michigan’s legendary
1991 recruiting class Rose followed him because the two had become such close friends. Chris and Jalen stayed
tight throughout college, but the end of their wild ride at Michigan and the extremely complicated legacy of the Fab Five recruiting
class has driven them apart. The seeds of this beef were
planted in the early 90s it took almost 30 years
to reach full bloom. (classic piano playing) Beef grows on trees I guess? I don’t know who writes this garbage. Anyway Rose and Webber were
the two Michigan born members of the Fab Five, a Wolverines line up that revolutionized
the style and structure of college basketball,
made important statements about amateurism and capitalism and was really good at sports. The feisty point forward and
the smooth yet thunderous big man were leading scorers on a squad that made back to back NCAA
finals under coach Steve Fisher. Webber became the first
pick in the 1993 NBA draft at the time a rare and impressive honor for an underclassman. He’d go on to an excellent
Pro career earning his first All-Star selection in Washington where he played alongside fellow
Fab Fivesman, Juwan Howard. He then rose to truly
elite status in Sacramento before knee injuries slowed him down. Rose like Howard went
Pro after junior year and became a 94 first round pick. He had some very good
years on some very good Indiana Pacers teams.
(violin plays) Webber and Rose both left
the league in the late 2000s and both quickly transitioned
to television careers that are still going strong. It sounds simple when you
paint it with broad strokes it sounds like they should still be friends, but we neglected some stuff. One crucial thing happened and most of what I just told you
officially didn’t happen and it all has to do with Chris Webber. Thing number one: The timeout Michigan’s 1992 NCAA Tournament
run was an exciting surprise they were a six seed with
five freshman as starters and while losing to Christian
Laettner, Grant Hill, and the Duke Blue Devils
in the final did hurt. People were mostly thrilled
that the Wolverines made it that far. ’93 was different. Michigan
entered March Madness a favorite and upon reaching the
final they fully believed they would take down fellow
one seed North Carolina but, down two in the closing
seconds Webber committed a now infamous infraction. Well first he traveled but
that didn’t get called, after that Webber dribbled
up court got trapped right in front of his own bench and
attempted to call a timeout even though Michigan had run out of them. The resulting technical
foul extinguished any hope of Michigan winning it all. Coach Fisher and Webber’s
teammates were quick to console their star big man and they insisted he wasn’t
the reason they lost, that they wouldn’t have
even had a championship to lose if not for Webber’s brilliance but Webber clearly took the collapse hard. The scenes of him walking off the court and facing the media
afterward are painful to watch and there wasn’t much time
to resolve this grief. Webber boldly declared for
the Draft just weeks later. – I’ve decided to turn Pro, this decision that I felt was necessary for me to keep going and move on. – He began his career with
the Golden State Warriors while the remaining four stars spent
another season at Michigan. This time falling in the Elite
Eight. So that’s thing one. Thing two didn’t hit
Webber until years later and it may have never hit
if not for a car accident that had nothing to do with him. In February, 1996, star
recruit Mateen Cleaves visited Michigan and
the team’s stars took him out on the town. Returning from a party
Maurice Taylor lost control and rolled his SUV breaking
the arm of teammate Robert Traylor and
sparking an investigation as to what the Wolverines had been up to that night with a recruit in tow. An inquiry by the NCAA and the university didn’t reveal anything monumental but later reports uncovered
that the players had been at the home of well know
Michigan booster Ed Martin. Which led to further investigations and eventually Steve Fisher’s firing. Then the feds stepped in and discovered that Martin was running an
illegal gambling operation and had made payments over the years to several Michigan
prospects and athletes. Subpoenas led numerous players, coaches and their family members to testify before a grand jury in 2000. Rose, like some others admitted
to accepting small amounts of cash from Martin, but
was left basically unscathed by the legal proceedings. Not the case for Webber,
despite Chris having been especially close to
Martin since his youth, and prior reports of
big money changing hands nothing stemmed from his initial testimony but in 2002, Martin finally
plead guilty to charges that included loaning hundreds
of thousands of dollars to Webber and others. Federal authorities thus indicted Webber for lying to the 2000 grand jury. He initially claimed innocence but eventually admitted to
taking money and plead down to criminal contempt
avoiding a prison sentence. NCAA and self imposed sanctions pushed Michigan basketball to scrub its past. The Wolverines officially
vacated a ton of wins from the Fab Five era, pulled
down their final four banners, and removed Webber’s name
from individual record books. And there were future sanctions too, a short post-season ban but
also a 10 year dissociation from Webber and three other
players directly implicated in the Martin scandal, no
contact, no business, no nothing. So yeah, the Fab Five
legacy is complicated and it’s primarily because of Webber. We should acknowledge that
Webber’s payment scandal probably wouldn’t exist
outside and unjust system wherein big time college
athletes receive none of the money that they earn for
their schools but I digress. Anyway, memories of the timeout
didn’t really dog Webber once his career moved past
the immediate aftermath Webber became comfortable talking about it he spoke to SI for a big
feature just weeks later and he didn’t hear much about the incident once he entered the NBA. Partly because he became a star so fast, partly because he found
new drama in the Pros. With time Webber and his
family could laugh about that humiliating final
moment as a college player. The Ed Martin scandal
was a different story, before confessing in his
eventual plea agreement. Webber was adamant about
fighting the charges and equally adamant in his
disparagement of Ed Martin. Rose and Webber had grown apart as friends in different cities
often do after college, but Chris lying and then lying
about lying was according to Jalen the final blow
to their relationship. But they were still in the league. Rose didn’t broadcast his feelings and Webber certainly wasn’t gonna talk about that stuff even years later while signing with the hometown Pistons. There are photos of the
two of them together during Webber forced
dissociation from the school, and they even appeared in
some of the same t.v. segments discussing the Fab Five’s legacy. While Rose insisted that
no sanction could undo the success of those teams he was clearly bothered by the manufactured distance and the fallen banners. When the final four
came to Detroit in 2009 Rose and Jimmy King pushed
for a Fab Five reunion, but Michigan wouldn’t
let them do it on campus and Webber decided not show up. And then there was the 30 for 30. Rose produced ESPN’s 2011
documentary on the Fab Five which is excellent and worth watching. There were rumors that
Webber initially agreed to participate but ultimately
he was the only important member of that team not to. Instead the movie depended
on the other four stars, and Steve Fisher, and upper
classmen like Rob Pelinka, all talking about Chris and his mistakes. Toward the end, a school
administrator implores Chris to apologize. – Chris simply needs to acknowledge that he made a mistake,
apologize for those mistakes and I believe that it
would have an enormous impact on our ability
to heal this situation and move forward in a very positive way. – It feels kinda unfair but
I mean that’s what happens when arguably the central
subject of a documentary refuses to be in it. While Webber maintained his distance, Rose kept the flood gates open. In 2013, the Wolverines went back to the national championship. Rose, Howard, Jackson,
and King planned to attend the final against Louisville,
and on a Grantland podcast Rose begged Webber to show up too. Chris was the elephant
in the room making any potential reunion weird. Webber did show up separately
while Rose, Howard, King and Jackson cheered together in the crowd, the elephant in the room was
upstairs in a private suite. Later that year Webber’s
10 year dissociation with Michigan finally ended. But the banners remained in storage and it was still Rose
doing all the talking. He didn’t quite say
Webber should apologize but he did say how he would apologize if it were him in Chris’s shoes. And on another podcast
episode he and Bill Simmons recounted Webber giving
Rose the cold shoulder at the NBA Finals. In 2014 Rose kept
addressing Webber publicly as a sort of spokesman for
the other Fab Five members. Since the whole line up
hadn’t truly been together since that fateful night in 1993. And he went further in stating firmly that Webber should do right
by his teammates Steve Fisher and the now deceased Martin and apologize. In 2015, Dan Patrick finally
got Webber to respond a lot, he talked about the time out and how it was addressed in the 30 for 30. – I’ve always embraced the timeout I know that the Fab Five
documentary makes it seem like, oh my God I’m so
scared to talk about it. – [Narrator] And he discussed
that documentary as a whole. – Did you like the Fab Five documentary? – I love the guys and I just
think it’s just so much missed. – [Narrator] He insisted he’d been down to participate in the doc
but that he’d been kinda ambushed by the interview requests. – They called and says, hey
we want you to be in a doc, I said, heck yeah I’ll be in the doc. (stutters) Well, what’s going on? He go, well we’re wrapping up next week we need to get you,
I’m like wait a minute. – [Narrator] And he insinuated
that Rose had put himself and his fame above the
legacy of the whole Fab Five. – A lot of people after they retire or when they’re looking for a job or when they wanna be relevant. – They embellish. – It’s really no, yeah and
you know my whole thing is it’s always been about us five you know. – That is a lot. Jimmy King called the bit about the belated interview
request a flat-out lie. And Rose came back swinging,
I’m just going to read this. One dude traveled then called timeout. One dude lied to a grand
jury and hasn’t apologized. One dude tried to circumvent
the documentary to HBO One dude ignored multiple
request from everyone involved after agreeing to participate. One dude played like
Obama and sat in a suite during Michigan’s recent title game. One dude slandered Ed
Martin after all he did for him and his family. One dude is not in contact
with the other four which is all good. One dude has been doing a
rebuttal doc for four years. One dude clearly is delusional
and still in denial. So that is also a lot when it came back to Chris is October 2015, he was adamant that he didn’t wanna talk about Jalen anymore. – [Doug Gottlieb] Where are you with Jalen in terms of your relationship? – [Chris Webber] Wherever it was. – Wherever it was, I mean
you know the last time– – I mean Doug we ain’t talkin bout that you ain’t getting that
interview (mumbles). I’m talking about Wake Forest. I don’t talk about him. I talked about him one time on the Dan Patrick
show and that was it. – But by this time Rose
was promoting a book. A book that told stories
of Webber snubbing him and the other Wolverines
during his NBA days. Not calling people back,
flaking on free tickets, flaking on hotel rooms for his friends when he made the All-Star team. And about the documentary,
Rose claimed he had initial buy-in from Webber
who then flip flopped and decided he didn’t
wanna talk about his past. Only to go pitch a separate
documentary to HBO, Rose even went into greater
detail about the time Webber cursed him out at the NBA Finals. And finished a long section
on Webber by once again asking him to own his
transgressions and apologize. That really seems to be Rose’s
main issue in recent years. He has blamed the continued
burial of the Fab Five legacy on Webber including coach
Fishers lack of recognition. Because he’s on t.v. Rose gets
asked about this stuff a lot and he always puts the ball
in Webber’s court saying, he’s still haunted. – I think that something that emotionally still plagues him in a lot of ways. Come home big fella the
Fab Five brothers love you, the University of Michigan loves you. Let it do what it do. – [Narrator] In the
meantime he’s out here breaking the play down
on national television. Dan Patrick got C-Webb going again in 2018. Webber said he talks to
some of the other guys. – I talk to Juwan like
every freaking other day. Ray and Juwan I talk to often I haven’t talked to Jalen in a while. – [Narrator] Said his
feelings about the time out have been mis-characterized. – This whole thing of
(mocking) he doesn’t know he can’t come back, he so hurt about the time he’s crushed, and mentally he can’t
be with all five of us. Like I don’t, you know. – [Narrator] Tried to explain
his seating arrangement at the Michigan Louisville Final. – And everybody was saying, well Chris went up to
his suite he couldn’t, well on paper I still was
banned from the school. – [Narrator] And seconded Patrick’s hopes for a Fab Five reunion but blamed Rose’s
trolling for the tension. – Because I’ve been trolled,
I think like no human in the history of sports has been trolled by someone that consider
your friend it’s tough. – [Narrator] He also went
on Sway in the Morning and said something similar,
that Rose had broken a code by making their issues public. – When he broke that code to what I feel further his
career that hurt me as a man. – [Narrator] And regarding
the trolling accusation Rose insisted he doesn’t
wanna hash this conflict out in the media then he
hashed it out in the media. – I don’t need to talk about
him to further my career I don’t sellout I am not a media shill. I do not sell my soul in order to talk about sports on television. – [Narrator] And this response
to Webber getting made an honorary captain by Michigan
football coach Jim Harbaugh definitely seemed like trolling. – I’m elated by this
news, I’m not surprised by this news, and
respectfully it’s calculated. – [Narrator] And that’s more
or less where things stand. Webber says he wants to
reunite with the Fab Five and get the team’s legacy back on track but he’s kinda touchy and wants
all that done on his terms. Rose thinks all it will
take is Webber apologizing for his mistakes but he’s
definitely not catering to Webber’s touchiness
about those mistakes. It’s frustrating that this
legendary fivesome fractured at what was once its tightest hinge. But I have faith that
these two will one day put aside their differences. They’ve both said that they
could be friends again someday. What will that take? Maybe its Webber finally
releasing a book or documentary that tell his whole side of the story. Maybe its Rose dialing down the heat a bit or the university relenting in its erasure of Fab Five history. Right now as I speak to you,
beef is keeping them apart. But maybe someday, maybe
by the time you watch this. The Fab Five brotherhood
will become whole again.

Author Since: Mar 11, 2019

  1. when u have to say u don't sell your soul to talk about sports on tv (Jalen) then chances are high that you sold your sold to talk about sports on TV.

  2. Chris Webber is that guy who screws up thirty times a year, for five years straight, and then let another five years go by and expects everyone to just ignore and forget all of the screwups.

  3. I ain't NEVER liked Chris Webber. Not back then, not during his career, and DAMN SURE NOT NOW. And his wack shtick on TNT only makes it worse.

  4. Why Seth Rosenberg won’t do all the sports catalogs he’s the only guy i listings to! Love beef history & rewinder , collapses because of him ! We need more SETH FREAKIN ROSENBERG!!😤

  5. "One dude is a HALL OF FAMER"…Jalen is a scrub. .. C…Web..all good … Jalen has no second career. ..that fool is horrible as an analyst.

  6. From having watched this team as a UNC fan and realizing how they changed college basketball, all the way to watching the Fab Five move onto the NBA, I’d always wanted to see the Fab Five go back to Michigan and get the accolades they deserved. I’d like for this to be reconciled. Chris Webber being an honorary football captain and now Juwan Howard being the Michigan basketball coach tells me that there’s a chance of it coming. But I think that it’s still not too close to happening. It’s gonna come down to Chris and Jalen reconciling first.

  7. Jalen Rose is an ass… It's obvious that Webber made a mistake and he does not want to talk about it… But the dude just keeps running it in.

  8. All these man that are actually just children, all of them lol, sure Shaq makes everyones look like an adult, and CWEB too, but that doesn't make J Rose anyything special just because he isn't the biggest baby in the room. They all a dysfunctional family and they could resolve it all just by chatting face to face but like boys they play it out over the airwaves.

  9. Jalen was always jealous of Webber!!! The timeout was after Jalen Rose ran from the ball!! And they were losing when he call timeout ! The code Webber is talking about is Jalen turned Rat!!

  10. If you are going to tell a story tell the whole story. In the time out incident Webber team mates was screaming time out from the sidelines. On the Documentary you can clearly see his team mate calling timeout. And when it comes to Webber and Rose the problems start when Webber bad mouth Martin. Martin took care of a lot of young men. And Rose believe it was wrong for Webber to bad mouth him.

  11. Why should Chris Webber apologize when the white man paid him to play for them, when things go wrong , black man get the blame not every black man is not Uncle Tom or Sam like Jalen Rose 🥀

  12. Ncaa is so retarded. Who gives af if someone gives another person money? It’s nice of them, they’re looking out for others who cares. Plus it has no impact on how the team plays on the court so why pull the banners???

  13. Let's see what happens that one c
    Juwan Howard is is the head coach of Michigan basketball team now go big blue I hope these guys and settle their differences

  14. one day this myth that college athletes don't get paid right now will be laid to rest. The argument is, should they get paid more since everyone else is getting paid more is a fair question to ask.

  15. Kareem's face while Webber is talking about how much he doesn't care about the TO says it all. Everyone can tell you're shoveling some BS there Chris.

  16. Why should Webber apologize for anything? This is the most overblown "should be" of all time. Move on JR. CWebb should get a verbal restraining order. Fight childish with childish.

  17. Shawn Michaels n Brett Hart
    Shaq n kobe
    Magic n Isaiah

    Next list
    Jordan n Thomas
    Rose n Webber
    Skip n Tebow feat. Cowgirls

    Why so serious!? 🤡😎

  18. I think in my opinion Chris webber what's to be treated like the big fish he was in Jalen rose is saying bro u are not the big fish no more in let it go bro we are grow man now . Let's move forward. But Chris what's to be respected like he was in college. But Jalen was the man too in college so. It's all about a pissing contest. See i watched every game they played in college and football i am a fan For life in hate that this happened to Michigan basketball because they started the hood basketball and the suburbs in i love it all of it rose webber king Jackson Howard taylor polinko coach fish . How can we ever fix this if we always looking back . Just my two cents

  19. I mean Webber will always look like the bad guy but it seems like Rose is just using him for his own self-promotion.

  20. Now the real question: Who is the better basketball analyst? I’ll take Rose, but Webber’s team around him.

  21. I really hate this vacating of NCAA seasons- the Fab 5, Derrick Rose’s season at Memphis and even Louisville’s most recent National Championship, just to name a few. It’s unfair to the athletes who did nothing wrong, to the students and the fans. Unless cheating goes on between the lines, erasing history is bullshit. If laws are broken, the courts should do their thing.

  22. From the start of the video it's OBVIOUS Rose NEVER respected Chris as a man or player. These two were always destined to be rivals and not teammates.

  23. i think it's pretty obvious that c webb is definitely still and always gonna be very haunted by that since he never won a championship at a major level, but it sucks cause even as a lakers fan he was fun as hell to watch play

  24. Jalen really mad that Chris left after the 2nd year cuz it wasn’t no way they was making it back after that cuz he was they best player

  25. Webber is a lil baby.

    Jalen Rose when Juan Howard got the Michigan job said everything should be squashed and everyone support Juan and move forward .

  26. The system is fair. They are playing for an opportunity to make millions of dollars that in itself is worth quite a lot of money. Plus the advantage of discouraging kids from pursuing sports as a career is worth any amount of illegal things that the system might encourage.

  27. You totally missed Webber’s Golden State debacle with the head coach, Don Nelson. BTW, Webber never truly shined as a player regardless of his stats because he never played to his potential. A 6’9 250 point/power forward should have sacked the NBA.

  28. If it was private and ethier one offers reconciliation (the olive branch) privately not so publicly then maybe the other will see its sincere.
    But right now they fueding to see who's right and make the other look like a fool with the ol' i told you so bc im better.
    Imo "petty" lifes too short.

  29. Ugh your silly attempts at making political points you don't even understand make these videos worse than they should be.
    They didn't make a point about capitalism at all, just ask them. Their point was, they were being exploited by an organization that profited off them, but wouldn't allow them to make any money. That's not capitalism at all, it's just exploitation.

  30. Choshi DOYO… World's DUMBEST Generation aka "Second Cultural Dark AGE" SB Nation??? Never heard of "YOU"…. Ever heard of Every UNIVERSITY in the U.S. Profiting from what??? Normal – working class people and beyond trying to get AN Education… Bend OVER Little BOYS with your Cell Phone's and 30 second attention SPANS!!! I HATE you Little $hits walking around PIMPING anything to GET a Juicy Story and MILK it to DEATH!! It's NOT Complicated @ ALL Junior. Sayonara Frat BOYs….

  31. Chris Webber should of just told the truth, especially if he knew dude well before going to college. NCAA can’t do a thing about it.

  32. The time-out has nothing to do w it. Rose is a straight up dude. Webber threw Ed Martin under the bus and lied…and lied…and lied. If he woulda come clean and not MF’d Martin, they would still be friends. UofM loves Jalen.

  33. As an avid hoops fan I hate seeing them like this, man I damn near cried real tears when they loss TOGETHER, time to man up and shut this foolishness down. The guys are too old for this, time to have the 5 together and squash this. I kinda feel like a child who’s parents are going through a divorce with this situation, I just want them to be good/solid.

  34. It's over Jalen, Chris had a long and productive career battling the Lakers year in, year out and made early mistakes that he paid for. I like Jalen a lot, but clearly he has a stake in the Fab 5 and it sort of comes off like he's just trying to unite the fab 5 just to get Jimmy King and Ray Jackson a quick paycheck signing lithographs at local sports conventions.

  35. Rose milked the Sh** out of this beef. I'm sure that he's got a huge merch of " Time out", " One dude" and "I'm not elated by this news".

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