House State Government Finance Committee  – part 1  3/29/18


GAVEL SPEECH>>CHAIR ANDERSON: REPRESENTATIVE UGLEM MOVE THE MINUTE S FROM MARCH 28. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY; AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES.] OPPOSED; NAY. THE MINUTES ARE ABROA D ADOPTED. MEMBERS WEAVE A FULL AGENDA. WE’LL START OFF WITH THE REP HE CAN BEAR-SUGGESTS INFORMATION WITHOUT MOVING THE BILL SO IF YOU WANT TO START WE ARE MOVING THE BILL TO THE GENERAL REGISTER. REPRESENTATIVE BAHR>>REPRESENTATIVE BAHR: HOUSE FILE 3282 IS A MODIFICATION FOR IN TRUST HOUSEHOLD MOVER-THE WAY OF TARIFF THE BILL WAS SUPPOSED TO BE– AS A PEACE OFFERING I’VE BROUGHT TREAT TO AMEND FOR YOUR WASTE OF TIME.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: MEMBERS I RENEW MY MOTION HOUSE FILE 32 HOUSE FILE 3280 2B REFER TO THE GENERAL REGISTER. THE FAVOR BE BILL IS BACK TO THE GENERAL REGISTER.>>[GAVEL]>>CHAIR ANDERSON: WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE. REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS I’M GOING TO MOVE HOUSE FILE 48 4B REFER TO THE COMMITTEE ON CAPITAL INVESTMENT WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. IF YOU WANT TO PRESENT YO UR BILL YOU WANT TO DO THEM ALL IN COLLECTION ARE YOU GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME?>>REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS: FIRST OF ALL MME. CHAIR AND COMMITTEE THANK YOU FOR HEARING THESE FOUR BILLS. IF YOU WOULD LIKE MME. CHAIR I CAN DO ONE BILL AND THEN MOVE RIGHT INTO THE NEXT BILL AND INTO THE NEXT ONE. MIGHT MAKE A LITTLE MORE SENSE TO THE COMMITTEE BECAUSE DIFFERENT PROJECTS DIFFERENT NEEDS THAT THEY HAVE FOR THE DEAF AND BLIND SCHOOL.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: THE FIRST ONE IS 4084.>>REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AND LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND WHAT I FOUND OUT BASICALLY OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DEAF SCHOOL WAS BEFORE MINNESOTA WAS ACTUALLY A STATE. NOW THE FIRST YEAR THAT MINNESOTA WAS A STATE IN; LET’S SEE; 1858; MAY 11 MINNESOTA BECAME A STATE DURING THAT FIRST SESSION THEY HAD SUCH AN INVESTMENT WANTED TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT TO THE DEAF CHILDREN SO THAT OFFICIALLY WHEN THE DEAF SCHOOL STARTED IN FAIR OF ALL THEY WERE ASKED THAT THEY ARE BOTH TO DONATE 40 ACRES TO BUILD A SCHOOL AND THAT WAS ALL DONE THAT FIRST YEAR BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED THE CIVIL WAR GOING ON SO NOTHING HAPPENED UNTIL FIVE YEARS LATER. IT IS JUST INTERESTING HOW LOOKING BACK AT HISTORY ALL THINGS KIND OF WORK. ANYHOW THE FIRST STUDENT THEY HAD WAS IN 1863 ENROLLED. SO WE DO NOT QUITE HAVE [INAUDIBLE] THOSE BUILDINGS WERE A? LIBRARY. THAT BUILDING IS NO LONGER THERE BUT JUST TO KIND OF KEEP IN MIND THE SCHOOL IS AS OLD OR OLDER THAN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. EVEN BUILDING ON THE CAMPUS AS WE HAVE SOME BUILDINGS OVER 100 YEARS OLD ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF FOUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS. SO THAT’S KIND OF THE STORY STARTING POINT. I’LL GET INTO HOUSE FILE 4084. AT THE BLIND SCHOOL THERE IS A PLOT OF LAND THAT WOULD FIT A 400 M RUNNING TRACK AND MY SON WENT TO THE DEAF SCHOOL GRADUATED IN 99 AND THE ONLY OUR SUNNI THEY HAD TO JOIN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL WHICH WAS REALLY NICE WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER SO HE JOINED HE WAS IN THE DEAF SCHOOL FOOTBALL TEAM IN THE BASKETBALL TEAM WHEN IT CAME TO TRACK IN THE SPRING HE HAD NO OPTION TO GO TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL. SO OUR FIRST REQUEST IS $800;000 TO DESIGN AND BUILDA RUNNING TRACK THAT IT WOULD BE LOCATED I BELIEVE THE IDEA WAS ON THE LINE CAMPUS. THERE’S ENOUGH ROOM THERE IS A PARKING UP BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE TRACK WOULD BE A GOOD LOCATION . YOU WILL MEET MME. CHAIR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO THE QUESTIONS ON EACH BILL OR DO ALL FOUR BILLS?>>CHAIR ANDERSON: WE WILL DO THAT AND HAVE EVERYBODY DOES ANYBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO TESTIFY AS WELL .>>REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS: SO IF I COULD TURN THIS BILL OVER TO MY TESTIFIERS AND HAVE HIM FILL IN SOME OF THE BLANKS AND DO A LITTLE MORE HISTORY ON THE SCHOOL FOR THAT RUNNING TRACK>>CHAIR ANDERSON: WELCOME MR. WEILAND IN STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND PROCEED WITH YOUR TESTIMONY.>>TESTIFIER: GOOD AFTERNOON MME. CHAIR MY NAME IS JERRY WILDING SUPERINTENDENT FOR THE MINNESOTA STATE ACADEMY SUPERVISED WITH THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF AND BLIND. THANK YOU FOR GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TODAY LOOKING AT OUR TRACK PROJECT WE HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE OUR TRACK WITH OUR NEIGHBOR WHICH IS ST. MARY’S. WE USE THEIR TRACK OUR SPORTS PROGRAM S ARE IN PE CLASSES HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE THAT UPON SCHOOL. HOWEVER; THEY HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE USE O F THAT. THERE’S A CONCRETE TRUCK THERE ABLE TO USE. WE WOULD LIKE TO USE -TO HAVE A TRUCK THAT WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE FOR BOTH OF OUR STUDENT POPULATION WITH THE APPROPRIATE SUPPORT OF EQUIPMENT AT SUCH A. RIGHT NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT THE BLOOD SCHOOL PROPERTY IS A POTENTIAL BUT WE DO HAVE A POTENTIAL AS WELL AND THE DEAF SCHOOL CAMPUS SO WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A CONTRACTOR COME IN AND LOOK AT THE LAND AND FIGURE OUT WHICH WOULD BE THE BETTER SPOT FOR THAT. WE WOULD LIKE TO SET UP A TRACKTHROUGH TO SERVE BOTH POPULATIONS OF STUDENTS FOR THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS ACTIVITIES INCLUDING SPORTING ACTIVITIES. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE WELL-ROUNDED EDUCATION FOR OUR STUDENTS IN DEVELOPING THOSE LIFELONG HABITS. WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS IS ABOUT THE FOURTH TIME THE BEST FOR IT AND EACH OF THE PRICE GOES UP. SO WE ARE HOPING TO GET THIS FUNDING SO THAT WE WE’RE NOT FACING ANY INCREASING COST REASON WHY WE ARE NO LONGER ABLE TO MAKE USE OF THE ST. MARY’S TRACK IS BECAUSE THEY ARE PLANNING TO DEMO THAT AND REBUILD ON THA T SITE SO WE WON’T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. SO WE DO NEED SOMETHING THAT WILL SERVE OUR CAMPUSES.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: MEMBERS LET’S SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO TESTIFY TO THIS BILL. IF NOT; MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE O’NEILL>>REPRESENTATIVE LILLIE: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. I DO NOT KNOW I RAISE MY HAND.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: I ASSUME YOU WANT TO SPEAK>>REPRESENTATIVE LILLIE: MEMBERS ON THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT COMMITTEE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT DOWN THERE JUST POWERFUL WORK THEY’RE DOING DOWN THERE AND THANK YOU FOR THAT REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS FOR BRINGING THE FORD. AS IT MOVES FORWARD IN THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT HAPPY TO HELP YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT’S DONE THERE. IT’S REALLY NEAT FACILITY. THANK YOU.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: REPRESENTATIVE DETTMER>>REPRESENTATIVE DETTMER: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS THANK YOU FOR BEING POOR. AS YOU KNOW I GREW UP IN A FAIR BOLT AND WE HAD SOME GREAT TIMES WITH BOTH THE SCHOOL FOR THE BLIND AND ALSO THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF AND ATHLETIC TEAMS WERE ESPECIALLY THE WRESTLING TEAM FROM THE SCHOOL FROM THE BLIND CAME OVER AND SCRIMMAGE US ALL THE TIME IN THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF WHEEL SCRIMMAGE AND FOOTBALL IN I KNOW PLAYING FOOTBALL AGAINST THEIR TEAM HAD TO REALLY HANG ONTO THE BALL BECAUSE THE OFFICIAL WITHDRAWAL FLAG INSTEAD OF A WHISTLE AND THEY ROSE GOING AFTER THE BALL. IT WAS A FUN -IT’S GREAT WAY FOR SCHOOLS TO GET TOGETHER IN THE SAME COMMUNITY AND HAVE SOME GREAT TIME TOGETHER. I TOURED THE FACIL ITY THERE THOSE ARE FACILITIES THAT ARE WELL NEEDED. THANK YOU.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT I’M GOING TO RENEW MY MOTION THAT HOUSE FILE 4084 4080 4B REFER TO THE COMMITTEE ON CAPITAL INVESTMENT WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY; AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES.] OPPOSED; NAY. THAT BILL IS ON ITS WAY. I’M GGOING TO MOVE THAT HOUSE FILE 48 7B REFER TO THE COMMITTEE ON CAPITAL INVESTMENT WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. TO YOUR BILL REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS 4087 AND>>REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR THIS REQUEST IS FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THE BLIND SCHOOL ACADEMIES I TALKED TO THE MAINTENANCE PERSON THERE THIS MORNING. WE DO KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THEY WERE BUILT BUT SOMETIMES BETWEEN 1982 AND 1986 THEY WERE BUILT. BASICALLY; WE ARE ASKING FOR MONEY TO THE DESIGN; DESIGN; CONSTRUCT FURNACE AND EQUIP RENOVATION OF KRAMER BRANDING AND MOODY DORMITORIES. IT’S JUST PAST DUE THE SUPERINTENDENT WILDING HAS ONLY BEEN THERE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF AND I WENT MR. HARPER WAS THERE BEFORE THAT THIS IS BEEN AN ONGOING NEED FOR A MINUTE GUESS SINCE 8-10 YEARS AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME FUNDING THERE JUST TO KEE P THE BUILDINGS UP TO DATE AND KEEP THEM ADA COMPLIANT BUT I’M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MY SUPERINTENDENT HERE SO THAT HE CAN EXPLAIN OR THE DETAILS ON THE PROJECT AS WELL.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: MR. WILDING.>>TESTIFIER: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. YES; THE DORMS WERE BUILT IN THE EARLY 80S BEFORE THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT WAS PASSED. THE FEATURES ARE NOT QUITE ACCESSIBLE TO OUR BLIND STUDENT BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT WE DO SERVE BY THE STUDENTS WHO HAVE OTHER PHYSICAL CHALLENGES AND OTHER PHYSICAL NEEDS. THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO BE MET IN THOSE BUILDINGS. FOR EXAMPLE THE KITCHEN RESTROOM; THOSE NEEDS SOME UPGRADE S AND INNOVATIONS AS WILL THE HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEM. ONE ROOM MAYBE 90° IN A ROOM ANOTHER ROOM MAYBE 55 TO SOME KIDS ARE COLD SOME KIDS ARE HOT AND WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE IT O VER TIME BUT REALLY WE NEED AN UPDATE TO THE SYSTEM. AS YOU KNOW; WE ARE A RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL THAT HALF OF OUR KIDS LIVE ON CAMPUS DURING THE WEEK SO WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT WERE PROVIDING THEM A SAF E AND ACCESSIBLE ENVIRONMENT FOR THEM TO LIVE IN. THAT MONEY IS IMPORTANT TO MAINTAINING THE SAFETY AND COMFORT ABILITY OF THOSE STORMS OF OUR STUDENTS.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO TESTIFY TO THIS BILL? MEMBERS; ANY QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE KUNESH-PODEIN>>REPRESENTATIVE KUNESH-PODEIN: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR I DON’T HAVE A QUESTION BUT I DO SUPPORT THE FUNDING FOR THIS BILL. MY HUSBAND GRANDFATHER WAS A FARMER IN NORTHFIELD WAS BLINDED BY A DYNAMITE ACCIDENT AND ENDED UP GOING TO THE SCHOOL FOR ADULT LEARNING WE LEARNED BRAILLE AND OTHER SKILLS THAT ALLOWED HIM TO EARN MONEY SOME OF THE RUGS HE’D MADE WE STILL HAVE TO DO SOME OF THE BENCHES WITH THE WOVEN SEAT WE STILL HAVE THOSE ARE DEFINITELY REALLY PRECIOUS HEIRLOOMS BUT I ALSO HAVE A NEIGHBOR WHO TAUGHT THERE FOR A YEARS AND HER HUSBAND AND HIS BROTHER WERE STUDENTS AT THE SCHOOL THERE SO I HAVE HEARD THE GENERATIONAL STORIES AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF THOSE FOLKS AS WELL AS THE REST OF MINNESOTA SO THANK YOU.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: OKAY. WITH THAT REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS AND>>REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR I JUST WANT TO ADD WE TALK ABOUT BEING ADA COMPLIANT THESE BUILDINGS OF COURSE BUILT IN THE EARLY -MID-EIGHTIES AND I’VE GONE TO THE I BELIEVE IT’S LAST FOUR GRADUATIONS THAT THE BLIND SCHOOL IN A NUMBER OF THOSE KIDS ARE IN WHEELCHAIRS. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE NOT HAVING A BATHROOM NOT ADA COMPLIANT AND NOT RAMPS IN THE RIGHT PLACES AND I THINK THAT I THINK THE RAMPS NEED TO BE A COLLEGE BUT THERE’S A LOT OF OTHER IMPROVEMENTS HEAVILY ARE NEEDED JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE KIDS ARE REALLY STRUGGLING. YOU DON’T TO SEE A PERSON WHO IS DEAF AT THE DEAF SCOPE YOU DON’T YOU SEE A PERSON WHO’S BLIND AT THE BLIND SCHOOL. SOME ARE DEAF AND BLIND AND SOME ARE LINED WITH SEVERAL HANDICAPS. SAME IN THE DEAF SCHOOL. THEIR MULTIPLE RANGE OF HANDICAPS. SO MANY SUCCESS STORIES COME FROM THAT-THOSE TWO SCHOOLS. HOW THEY GO ON TO LIVE A NORMAL FUNCTIONING LIFE NOT RELIANT ON SOCIAL SECURITY FOR THEIR INCOME BUT ACTUALLY PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS AND IT’S REALLY A TESTIMONY TO THE PEOPLE LIKE OUR SUPERINTENDENT AND OUR STAFF THERE I BELIEVE [INAUDIBLE] HAS BEEN THERE FOR 35 YEARS SO SHE’S IN A LOT OF THINGS COME AND GO THERE’S A STORY AFTER STORY. SOMEBODY [INAUDIBLE] REALLY KNOW MUCH OF A FUTURE I’LL GIVE YOU TWO QUICK EXAMPLES AND WE CAN GET GOING HERE. MY SON GRADUATED THERE IN 1999 JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WE STARTED FROM HE WAS IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL BOTH AND ACKLEY AND BEMIDJI WITH INTERPRETER AND PART-TIME AIDE. HIS GRADES WERE PROBABLY AN AVERAGE OF A D- AT MOST OF THE TIME. THEN IN SEVENTH GRADE HE WAS ON THE BENCHWARMER FOR THE JUNIOR VARSITY FOOTBALL TEAM. AS REPRESENTATIVE DETTMER KNOWS THAT DEAF SCHOOL HAS A TRADITION IN WHICH AND WHEN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONS I CAN’T EVEN COUNT THEM ALL IT’S ABOUT 20; PLUS JUST FOR FOOTBALL. ANYWAY MY SON WENT THROUGH THE DEAF SCHOOL STARTED IN EIGHTH GRADE WE STILL LIVED IN BEMIDJI AT THE TIME AND WHEN HE GRADUATED HIS SENIOR YEAR I THINK HIS GRADE POINT AVERAGE WAS AN A- FOR FOOTBALL HE WAS VOTED THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE NATION FOR THE DEAF SCHOOLS. SO FROM A BENCHWARMER TO THE BEST PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY WOULD NOT OF HAD THAT WITHOUT THE DEAF SCHOOL.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: AS A PARENT YOU MADE THE RIGHT DECISION. THAT’S GREAT WE ARE THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE DENNIS WITH THAT NUMBERS HIM AND MOVE HOUSE FILE 4080 7B REFER TO THE COMMITTEE OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY; AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES.] OPPOSED; NAY. THAT BILL IS ON ITS WAY AS WELL. REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS GOT TWO MORE TO GO GET HIM IN A MOVE HOUSE FILE 4080 8B REFER TO THE COMMITTEE ON CAPITAL INVESTMENT WITHOUT RECORDATION. TO YOUR BILL.>>REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR.THIS ONE TO ME IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT BILL WE HAVE. THIS IS FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS THAT WE HOUSE AT THE DEAF SCHOOL BASICALLY ALMOST FROM INFANTS THROUGH 21 YEARS OF AGE. THERE’S THREE MAIN BUILDINGS THAT HOUSE THE CLASSROOMS AND CURRENTLY THEY ARE ALL NOT CONNECTED. SO IF YOU GO FROM ONE CLASS TO A DIFFEREN T CLASS YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY GO OUTSIDE ON THE SIDEWALK TO GET TO THE NEXT BUILDING. WE TALK ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT SHOOTINGS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. IT’S A REAL CONCERN WE KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFE AS POSSIBLE. WE HOPEFULLY GOT YOU THE COVERED [INAUDIBLE] OF THE THREE BUILDINGS ON THE CORRIDOR. I HOPE THAT’S IN THERE. IF NOT WE CAN PASS THEM UP YOU MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER TO FOLLOW THE WHEN I GOT HERE COATED IN ORANGE -LET’S SEE. [INAUDIBLE] HALL IS A BIT THAT WAS IN OVER 100 YEARS OLD. THEN THE TWO OTHER CLASSROOMS ARE BUILT IN THE 70S IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. RIGHT NOW; YOU HAVE TO GO FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING TO BUILDING OUTSIDE. SO ENTRANCE POINTS THEIR CIVIL ENTRANCE POINTS AND I’VE BEEN THERE MYSELF FOR MANY MANY OCCASIONS. YOU CAN WALK IN WHATEVER DOOR YOU WANT TO WALK IN. THERE’S NOBOD Y THERE. MAYBE AFTER TRILEVEL WHERE YOU ARE GOING AND IT’S NOT A GOOD SAFE SET UP. SO THAT THE SAFETY CORRIDOR IS TO SPEND A TOTAL OF 5.3 MILLION OVER TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS AND THEIR TWO IN CLOSE THAT AT ONE MAIN ENTRY AND I LIKE TO HAVE MY SUPERINTENDENT KIND OF FILL IN ALL THE STUFF I MISSED AND THEY’RE EXTREMELY BORN AS WELL. I’LL TURN IT OVER TO HIM.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: MR. WILDING.>>TESTIFIER: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. WHEN I BEGAN AT MSA A YEAR AND HALF AGOMY FIRST SURPRISE WAS THAT WE HAD NOTHING RELATED SAFETY AND COMMUNICATION WITH OUR DEAF AND HARD OF HEARING STUDENTS. FOR EXAMPLE IF THERE’S AN ALARM WHEN ALERT THAT OF OUR STUDENTS WERE BE NOTIFIED ABOUT THAT. THE DIFFERENT PIECES IN THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS; THERE WAS NO REAL UNITY. LIKE REPRESENTATIVE DANIEL SAID THAT WE HAVE THREE SEPARATE BUILDINGS YOU ARE ABLE TO ENTER THOSE WITHOUT STOPPING BY AN OFFICE NOBODY IS THERE TO CHECK IS COMING IN AND OUT. IT’S EASY FOR PEOPLE TO BYPASS THE OFFICES AND GO RIGHT INTO THE BUILDING. SO THAT’S A HUGE CONCERN FOR ME. LAST YEAR WE RECEIVED $50;000 FOR THE PRE-DESIGN OF THIS. WE HA VE BEEN HAVING WE’VE HAD MEETINGS WITH ARCHITECTS ABOUT THAT. YOU WILL SEE OUR DESIGN WHICH IS CLOSER TO OUR FINAL CONCEPT . OUR GOAL IS TO CREATE A CONNECTED SAF ETY ZONE WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN. THEY COULD GET APPROVAL FROM A PAST ; BEFORE THEY HEAD INTO ANY OF OUR OTHER BUILDINGS. IT WILL ALSO HAVE OTHER DOORS AND SECURITY FEATURES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR CLOSE DOWN FOR EXAMPLE IN CASE OF LOT AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL NEVER NEED THAT OF SOMETHING IN PLACE TO PROTECT OUR STUDENTS BECAUSE AGAIN; STUDENTS ARE COMING FROM ALL OVER THE STATE. THE PARENTS ARE TRUSTING US TO KEEP THEIR KIDS SAFE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MEETING AT COMMITMENT. WITH THAT DESIGN THERE’S TWO PARTS TO THAT. FIRST PART IS LOOKING AT THE CONNECTION IN THAT SPACE BY LOOKING AT THE FLOW; SETTING IT UP WHERE WE WANT TO SAFETY DOORS. THAT’S THE FIRST PART. SO THAT IS IN THE YELLOW THAT YOU CAN SEE THE SECOND PART IN THE FIRST PART 5.3 MILLION ABOUT. THE SECOND PART IS TO CONTINUE IMPROVING THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING AROUND THAT. WE WANT TO UPGRADE THE DOORS; THE WINDOWS; THE ENTRANCES ETC. AND BRINGING THOSE UP TO CURRE NT NEED. THE BUILDINGS WERE BUILT IN THE EARLY 70S. SO THERE PRETTY OLD. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE UPGRADED. IN THAT PROCES S YOU WOULD LIKE TO IMPROVE OUR LAST COMMUNICATION SYSTEM SO THERE’S VISUAL INFORMATION THAT WILL BE SENT TO OUR STUDENTS INSTEAD OF DEPENDING ON SOMEONE WHO CAN HEAR BRINGING THEM THE MESSAGE TO THE OVER 75% OF OUR STUDENTS – EXCUSE ME – 75% OF OUR STAFF ARE DEAF AS WELL. WE HAVE ONLY A FEW HEARING PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING. SO THAT MASS COMMUNICATION SYSTEM WOULD HELP ALERT EVERYONE AS NEEDED SO TH AT WAY INDIVIDUALS ARE AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. ONE ANECDOTE I LIKE TO SHARE THAT IS NOT INCLUDED THIS; AND DOING SOME RESEARCH WE WERE LOOKING AT TECHNOLOGY AND THERE’S ONE THAT CAN IDENTIFY BULLETS WHEN THEY ARE SHOT AND START THE APPROPRIATE ALARM INSTEAD OF DEPENDING ON SOME AND TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY STARTED. SO IT COULD HAPPEN IN AN AREA WHERE I THINK IT’S OUTSID E ONE HAS ANY IDEA WHAT’S GOING ON BUT THE SYSTEM WOULD HELP US TO ENSURE THAT THE SCHOOL BECOMES MORE SAFE IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. SO THIS IS OUR PRIORITY ARE NUMBER ONE PROJECT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE FINISH AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THAT.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO TESTIFY TO THIS BILL? MEMBERS; ANY QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE DANIEL’S FINAL COMMENTS. BE DANIELS THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR.>>REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. THE SCHOOL IS A STATE OPERATED FUNCTIONS A LOT OF THE OTHER SCHOOLS AND REPRESENTATIVE DETTMER TESTIFIED IN OUR MEETING YESTERDAY THAT WAS ALREADY HAD A BUNCH OF THE [INAUDIBLE] AND I THINK REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN WAS MENTIONING THAT COME INTO WITH THE CITY CAN TO A LOCAL LEVEL COU LD 40 HAS TO GO THROUGH THE STATE. THAT’S ONLY SOURCE OF FINANCIAL KEEP THAT IN MIND WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF WE COULD LEVY FOR SOME OF THE FUNDING LOCALLY BUT IT’S JUST NOT POSSIBLE.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: WITH THAT MEMBERS I RENEW MY MOTION HOUSE FILE 48 8B REFER TO THE COMMITTEE ON CAPITAL INVESTMENT WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY; AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES.] OPPOSED; NAY. THE BILL IS ON ITS WAY. REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS I’M GOING TO MOVE HOUSE FILE 4140 6B REFER TO THE COMMITTEE ON CAPITAL INVESTMENT WITHOUT RECORDATION. TO YOUR BILL.>>REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. THIS ONE IS KIND OF DEPOSIT ASSET PRESERVATION SIMILAR TO ONE THAT THE BLIND SCHOOL THERE IS JUST A LONG LIST OF ITEMS THAT NEED THE MAINTENANCE AND I’LL GIVE YOU TO BE TOTALLY HONEST BE REP HE MARY MURPHY HAD SUGGESTED THAT YESTERDAY’S HEARING THAT MAYBE WE THINK EVERYBODY-WE SHOULD SCHEDULE SOME IN COLLEGE YOU CALL HEAPR MONEY IN K-12 IT’S THE MAINTENANCE TYPE OF THINGS BUT SINCE IS A STATE RUN INSTITUTION WE CANNOT- LOCAL LEVY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT SO MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO DOING A FUNDING DOLLAR AMOUNT EVERY TWO YEARS JUST WE DON’T GET BEHIND. I KNOW THERE’S A LOT MORE ITEMS ON HERE AND WHAT THIS IS LISTED FOR. SUPERINTENDENT WILDING HAS PRIORITIZED ALREADY.. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE STRUCTURE TO TALK ABOUT WINDOWS. JUST TO THE ROOF ON THE HALL LAST YEAR . AND BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THESE BUILDINGS AND THE COMPLEXITY OF THEM THEY’RE NOT TYPICAL DO A ROOF IN TWO DAYS AND BE DONE. IT’S QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT PROCEDURE. SO WITH THIS BILL IS ASKING FOR IS BASICALLY ASSET PRESERVATION FOR BOTH CAMPUSES JUST TO KIND OF BRING UP SOME OF THE ITEMS IF YOU HAVE A LEAKY ROOF YOUR A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE YOU DON’T GET THE ROOF FIXED IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. THESE ARE-I CAN SEE ALONG THOSE LINES. THERE AGAIN I’M GOING TO HAVE THE SUPERINTENDENT WILDING DOING ALL THE DETAILS>>CHAIR ANDERSON: MR. WILDING.>>TESTIFIER: THANK YOU; MDM . CHAIR. WHAT’S BEEN MENTIONED ALREADY OUR CAMPUS IS VERY OLD. SEVERAL BUILDINGS ARE OVER 100 YEARS OLD OR ARE SOON APPROACHING AT 100 YOUR MARKET SO; YES; THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES RELATED TO HEATING; TO COOLING ACCESS; MAINTENANCE; OF THOSE BUILDINGS. WINDOWS NEED TO BE REPLACED. WE HAVE DOORS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED AS WELL. SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS TO BE REPAIRED THE LIST IS LENGTHY AND WE ARE PRIORITIZED THAT. THE GOVERNORS REPORT WE ARE TRYING TO MEET THE GOALS THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND ENSURE THAT OUR BUILDINGS ARE MEETING THAT BUT OUR BUILDINGS AS THEY ARE AGED ARE NOT ENERGY-EFFICIENT AND SO WE LIKE TO BRING THOSE UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS. WE ALSO WANT TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY THAT WE HAVE BUT AGAIN; WE ARE A SCHOOL GIVE A COMMITMENT TO SUPPORT ACCESSIBILITY AND APPROPRIATE LEARNING ENVIRONMENTS FOR OUR STUDENTS. SO WE ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THOSE BUILDING S AND THIS ASSET PRESERVATION MONEY WOULD GO TOWARDS DIFFERENT PROJECTS. HONESTLY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO COVER EVERYTHING ON OUR CAMPUSES BUT WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT’S REALISTIC FOR THE NEXT 2-3 YEARS. AND THAT WOULD GO TO COVERING SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH WITHIN A 2-3 YEARS. LIKE REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS SAID; YOU’RE JUST LOOKING AT THAT POSSIBILITY OF HAVING CONTINUAL FUND OF MONEY SO THAT WAY IT’S NOT SO MUCH EVERY TIME THAT WE ARE REQUESTING HAVING AN ANNUAL ALLOCATION BIANNUAL ALLOCATION RIGHT NOW WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS MONEY TO CATCH US UP A LITTLE BIT.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO TESTIFY TO THIS BILL? MEMBERS; ANY QUESTIONS? I’M GOING TO RENEW MY MOTION HOUSE FILE 4140 6B REFER TO THE COMMITTEE ON CAPITAL INVESTMENT WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY; AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES.] OPPOSED; NAY. YOU R BILL IS ON ITS WAY. SO I THINK REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS AND MR. WILDING FOR PRESENTING THIS. IT’S BEEN AN EDUCATION FOR SURE.>>REPRESENTATIVE DANIELS: THANKS FOR HEARING THE BILL IN BONDING REQUEST. I COULD SHARE QUITE A FEW STORIES OF THE CHILDREN IN THE DEAF SCHOOL. I DO WILL DO ONE. I KNOW TIME IS SHORT BUT MY CAMPAIGN MANAGER IS PARTLY DUCTED HYDRATED THE SAME YEAR AS MY SON. HE HAS RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL THREE TIMES NOW. PROBABLY WILL RUN AGAIN. EXTREMELY ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY; EXTEND THE ACTIVE IN THE DEAF COMMUNITY IS ON THE STATE BOARD FOR THE SCHOOL HAS HIS OWN BUSINESS DOING VERY WELL WITH HIS OWN BUSINESS AND THE DEAF SCHOOL WASN’T THERE AND 14 HE WOULD PROBABLY BE EITHER VERY MINIMAL LABOR JOB OR SITTING HOME WAITING FOR THAT CHECK TO COME IN THE FIRST OF THE MONTH. THAT’S COOL TURNS POTENTIAL INTO REALITY. IT’S EXCITING TO SEE WHAT IT’S HUNDRED>>CHAIR ANDERSON: THAT’S GREAT YOU THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE DENNIS. THANK YOU MR. WILDING. I’M GOING TO CALL REPRESENTATIVE LUECK . I’M GOING TO GO WITH REPRESENTATIVE RARICK. REPRESENTATIVE BLISS. REPRESENTATIVE BLISS.>>REPRESENTATIVE BLISS: SORRY MME. CHAIR MY HEARING IS NOT AS GOOD IT SHOULD BE. SPEECH EARNERS AND WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE. I AM GOING TO MOVE THAT HOUSE FILE 3662 BE LAID OVER FOR POSSIBLE INCLUSION IN THE STATE GOVERNMENT FINANCE BILL. I ASSUME THIS IS YOUR AMENDMENT?>>REPRESENTATIVE BLISS: YES. I HAVE THE DE – AMENDMENT.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: I MOVE THE DE – BE DONE TO GET THE BILL IN THE FORM THE AUTHOR WISHES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY; AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES.] OPPOSED; NAY. THE AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED. REPRESENTATIVE BLISS TO YOUR BILL AS AMENDED.>>REPRESENTATIVE BLISS: BE MME. YOU’RE ALL AWARE OF TH E LATEST SETTLEMENT WE HAD WITH THE 3M CORPORATION. TO TAKE CARE OF SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP IN THAT I BELIEVE WAS AN $850 MILLION SETTLEMENT AND 120 FOR THAT WINTER LEGAL FEES. IN THE ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES QUESTION WAS ASKED IF ANY MONEY WOULD BE LEFT OVER FOR THE CLEANING THE SURFACE WATER AND THE WILDLIFE POPULATION AND THEY FELT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A TIGHT FIT IN THE COULD EASILY EXTEND OVER $100 MILLION JUST FOR THE SURFACE WATER AND WILDLIFE CLEANUP. SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT THE LAWYERS GOT $125 MILLION THAT COULD’VE WENT BACK INTO THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT ANGRY AND I DON’T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A SETTLEMENT OF THAT SIZE ALLOWED FOR STATE TO BE ENTERED WITH THAT ON THE DE –TWO AMENDMENT ANY CONTRACTS ARE DONE CONTINGENCY FEES CANNOT BE ANY MORE THAN 2% OR $100;000 WHICHEVER IS GREATER. THAT WOULD ALLOW AGENCY FEES TO BE USED IN MME. CHAIR; YOU HAD A BILL TO ELIMINATE CONTINGENCY FEES. THIS WOULD SEVERELY LIMIT THE CONTINGENCY FEES. THAT WOULD HAVE PROVIDED A $17 MILLION SETTLEMENT TO THE LAW FIRM. I THINK THAT WOULD’VE BEEN QUITE SATISFACTORY QUITE ENOUGH; ; SUFFICIENT. SO THAT’S THE EXTENT OF MY BILL WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: ANYONE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY IN THIS BILL? MR. GILBERT I’M GOING TO ASK YOU BE MINDFUL OF THE TIME AND IF YOU CAN PROVIDE YOUR TESTIMONY WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE.>>TESTIFIER: I APPRECIATE THAT. I WASN’T AWARE OF THE AMENDMENT THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE IS PROPOSING. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AND I DON’T REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON HAVE A BILL THAT I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED LATER WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS EXPLAIN THE BACKGROUND OF THAT CASE THE 3M CASE WHICH WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT BUT FOR THE FACT THAT THE CONTINGENCY [INAUDIBLE] WAS USED IN THIS CASE. IN THAT REGARD; I WOULD LIKE TO-I KNOW YOU ASKED ME TO BE BRIEF REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON BUT IT WOULD TAKE ME A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO EXPLAIN THE BACKGROUND OF THE CASE. SPEECH EARNERS AND MR. GILBERT YOU HAVE UNTIL 22.>>TESTIFIER: THANK YOU. THAT’S NOT TO DO JUSTICE TO WHAT I NEED TO PRESENT>>CHAIR ANDERSON: THERE’S A SECOND BILL. YOU’LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRIBE YOUR TESTIMONY AT THAT POINT.>>TESTIFIER: WELL IN TERMS OF THE LIMITATIONS ON CONTINGENCY FEES WHICH I’M JUST SPEAKING TO YOU R AMENDMENT REPRESENTATIVE AS I UNDERSTAND IT IT DEALS WITH THE GREATER OF 100;000 OR 2% OF SETTLEMENT AMOUNT. SO IF I MIGHT ASK REPRESENTATIVE A QUESTION?>>CHAIR ANDERSON: NO; ACTUALLY GET THAT’S NOT WHAT WE DO.>>TESTIFIER: MAY NOT ENTER INTO A EAGLE CONTRACTIF THE FEE IS BE PAID BY THE STATE WOULD EXCEED WERE REASONABLY EXPECTED TO EXCEED. BY NOW THERE IS A STATUTE AS YOU KNOW. A .065 THAT PROVIDES FOR THE LEGISLATIVE ADVISORY COMMISSION ‘S BEEN DELEGATED THE FUNCTION TO DETERMINE A STATE CONTRACT THAT HAS IF THE AMOUNT OF $1 MILLION OR MORE OR RECENTLY EXPECTED TO GENERATE MILLION DOLLARS IN ATTORNEY FEES. TO GO TO THE LAC. FOR THE LAC THEN TO PROVIDE INPUT AND REVIEW OF THE CONTRACT. WE BELIEVE THAT IS ADEQUATE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. THAT CONTRACT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2000 – SORRY – THAT STATUTE HAS BEEN IN PLACE AND 2005. IN THE 3M CASE ITSELF THE LEGISLATIVE ADVISORY COMMITTEE APPROVED THE CONTINGENCY FEE CONTRACT THAT SERVE TO BE A PROPER MECHANISM TO REVIEW CONTRACTS OF THAT KIND. WITHOUT THAT PARTICULAR CONTINGENCY FEE ARRANGEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE F IRM WE WOULD NOT BEEN ABLE TO GENERATE THE $765 BILLION ON A NET BASIS TO FIX THE PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED IN THE METROPOLITAN AREA. THE LEGISLATURE HAS NOT PROVIDED ANY ASSISTANCE IN THAT REGARD. HASN’T PROVIDED ANY APPROPRIATION AND AS YOU KNOW; REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON; WHEN THIS CASE WAS BROUGHT WAS ACTUALLY AN ADVERSE DECISION THAT WAS MADE A YEAR BEFORE THE CASE WAS BROUGHT TO THE STATUE OF LIMITATIONS WAS RUNNING. THE STATE AND STATE AGENCIES INVOLVE THE MPCA DNR AG’S OFFICE DIDN’T HAVE THE FUNDS TO FINANCE THAT PARTICULAR CASE AND A CONTINGENCY FEE CONTRACT FOR ANY OF YOU WHO ARE NOT AWARE OF ITS; PROVIDES THAT THE FINANCIAL RISK IS ON THE LAW FIRM IF YOU LOSE THE CASE THE LAW FIRM NOT ONLY RESPONSIBLE TO PAY FOR ALL COST OF THE LITIGATION BUT ALSO DOESN’T GET ANY ATTORNEYS FEES. THIS CASE AS I SAID A YEAR BEFORE THE CASE WAS BROUGHT THERE WAS A DECISION IN WASHINGTON COUNTY ADVERSE IN THAT CASE. THEY WERE ZEROED OUT ON THE CASE. BECAUSE OF THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS RUNNING THE ATTY. GEN. USED HER CONSTITUTIONAL DISCRETION TO DETERMINE THAT CONTINGENCIES BE CONTRACT WAS APPROPRIATE IN THAT CASE. AS I SAID; USE THE EXISTING STATUTE LEGISLAT ION BY ENACTING THAT CENTER DELEGATED TO THE LAC THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THAT CONTRACT. WHICH IN FACT THEY DID IN THAT CASE. TO THE EXTENT THERE’S ANY SECOND-GUESSING OF THE CONTRACT AT THIS POINT TIME THAT IS NOTHING MORE THAN MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK IN AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED. WAS APPROVED BY THE LAC. IT WAS A RIGHT RESULT ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF THE STATE. THERE $765 THAT CAN BE USED TO RECTIFY THE PROBLEM TO I’VE NOT HEARD WHAT YOU INDICATED REPRESENTATIVE MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TO DIE FOR THE OPPOSITE. BUT IN ANY EVENT; WE OPPOSE THIS BILL. THE EXISTING PROVISION; A .065 IS ADEQUATE TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE. I DON’T THINK YOU NEED ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO TESTIFY TO HOUSE FILE 3662? MR. CARLSON; WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND PROCEED WITH YOUR TESTIMONY.>>TESTIFIER: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR MY NAME IS JOEL CARLSON I OWN A GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS BUSINESS IN ST. PAUL IN FRONT OF YOU ON BEHALF OF THE MINNESOTA ASSOCIATION FOR JUSTICE GROUP I REPRESENTED FOR 24 YEARS NOW HERE AT THE CAPITAL THEY PRINCIPALLY ARE LAWYERS ACROSS THE STATE OF MINNESOTA WHO OPERATE ON A CONTINGENCY BASIS. I CAN TELL YOU I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN MY MEMBERS WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THE 3M CASE. BUT YOU NEED TO KNOW AND I ECHO WHAT SOLICITOR GILBERT SAID. THE CONTINGENCY IS -COMES FROM THE ENGLISH COMMON LAW AND IT REALLY IS WHAT EMPOWERS INDIVIDUALS AND SOMETIMES THE STATE TO GO AGAINST WELL-HEELED AND VERY WELL-FUNDED DEFENDANTS TO ASSERT THEIR VERY IMPORTANT LEGAL RIGHTS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WITHOUT THE CONTINGENCY FEE THESE CASES WILL NEVER BE ASSERTED. YOU JUST SIMPLY CANNOT FIND ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS THE KINDS OF CASES ARE MEMBERS HANDLE WERE IN A CASE LIKE THIS AGAINST A VERY POWERFUL DEFENDANT YOU SIMPLY JUST CANNOT FUND THE COST OUT OF YOUR POCKET. I GUARANTEE YOU IF I CAME TO YOU AND I SAID MEMBERS; I NEED $40 MILLION TO RUN THREE YEARS OF LITIGATION THE LEGAL TEAM OF 25 PEOPLE CONSULTANTS; PARALEGALS; EXPERTS AND I NEED TO HAVE YOU APPROPRIATE THAT MONEY AND WITHOUT IT WE CANNOT ASSERT OUR RIGHTS TO HAVE OUR GROUNDWATER CLEANED UP WHERE WE KNOW THERE’S A PROBLEM; YOU WOULD SHOW ME THE DOOR. IF I TOLD YOU FURTHER THAT WE MIGHT LOSE IN THAT $40 MILLION WE SPENT INVESTING IN THAT CASE IS GONE YOU ACTUALLY WOULD NOT DO IT. YOU ALSO SET UP A SCENARIO WHERE A VERY POWERFUL DEFENDANT CAN COME TO THIS LEGISLATURE AND LOBBY YOU NOT TO AUTHORIZE THAT EXPENDITURE AND INSULATE THEMSELVES FROM LIABILITY. THAT IS AN ATTENTIVE CONSEQUENCE OF THIS PROPOSAL BUT IT IS VERY REAL CONSEQUENCE. LASTLY; MME. CHAIR AND MEMBERS; YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT THIS DOESN’T JUST IMPACT THE CASE LIKE 300 WHICH IS AN ABERRATION. VERY IMPORTANT ONE. WE HA VE LAWYERS REPRESENT THE STATE ON A CONTINGENCY FEE ON A DAILY BASIS. I’LL GIVE YOU WANT A GOOD EXAMPLE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES. WE DAILY REPRESENT THE STATE ON A CONTINGENCY TO REIMBURSE THE STATE FOR MEDICAL EXPENSES THAT THEY HAVE INCURRED THAT SHOULD BE THE RIGHTFUL RESPONSIBILITY OF SOME OTHER PARTY. WE DO ALL OF THOSE CASES THAT WE COLLECT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR THE STATE ON A CONTINGENCY BASIS. IT IS NOT 2%. THEY COULD BE IN EXCESS OF $100;000 FOR I KNOW THE CASE THAT THE RECOVERY WAS OVER $5 MILLION FOR AN INFANT CASE WHO HAD A LIFETIME OF INJURY THAT WAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF A WRONG DOER THAT WE COLLECTED FOR THE STATE ALL OF THOSE COULD BE IMPACTED BY THESE LANDS. I READ HEADLINES; TOO AND I SCRATCH MY HEAD WHEN I SEE PAY PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES OR CEOS. THERE ARE NUMBERS THAT CAN SHOCK US. I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT I’M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR GROUP OF PROFESSIONALS MAKE WHAT WE FEELS IN EXCESS OF THE WHEN I LOOK AT THE HEAD OF WALMART E-COMMERCE WHO MADE LAST YEAR $234 MILLION; ONE GUY. APPLE; HUNDRED 50 MILLION. TESLA; 96 MILLION ONE PERSON. I’M NOT GOING TO PUT IVAN ON TO SECOND-GUESS THAT JUDGMENT JUST LIKE I DON’T WANT THE LEGISLATURE ON A CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED BY AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO COME BACK NOW SECOND-GUESS AND SAY THAT FEE SEEMS TOO HIGH. SO MME. CHAIR; THIS HAS A LOT OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. MOST OF WHAT [INAUDIBLE] WHEN YOUR BILL COMES UP I WOULD BASICALLY SAY THE SAME THING. THIS HAS SOME VERY REAL CONSEQUENCES THAT WILL PREVENT US FROM ASSERTING ARE VERY IMPORTANT LEGAL RIGHTS AND I HOPE YOU USE CAUTION AS YOU CONSIDER THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU MME. CHAIR. HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: PERFECT AND ANYONE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY TO THIS BILL? REPRESENTATIVE UGLEM>>REPRESENTATIVE UGLEM: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. IT IS KIND OF INTERESTING AND SOME OF THOSE POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP WERE WELL-FOUNDED.. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE ATTORNEYS FEES THEY ARE APPALLING. OKAY DON’T GET ME WRONG. THAT KIND OF MONEY BUT THE INVESTMENT THAT A SPECIALTY FIRM MAKES OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS; IF YOU STOP TO THINK ABOUT IT; THEY ARE PAIN EXPERT WITNESSES ANYWHERE FROM 400-$2000 AN HOUR.. THESE FIRMS NATIONAL FIRMS HAVE NATIONAL RECOGNITION INTO EACH ONE OF THEIR VARIOUS AREAS OF EXPERTISE AND ALL THAT MONEY IS GOING OUT FOR A PERIOD OF YEARS .. YOU’VE GOT NO MONEY COMING IN AND THERE’S NO CASH FLOW. IT’S ALL ON THE COMP AND THEN; YES; IF THEY WIN THEY WIN THEY IF THEY DON’T THEY ARE A ROLLING THE DICE AND ALL THAT MONEY IS GONE. IT CAN AMOUNT TO MANY MANY MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT A FIRM IS INVESTING IN A LAWSUIT THAT’S PARTICULARLY OVER LONG PERIOD OF TIME S O; I CONTRAST THAT WITH THE RESOURCES OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND IT IS TRUE; WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF LAWYERS HERE AT THE STATE BUT AS FAR AS THEIR RESOURCES AND EXPERTISE; COMPARED TO SOME OF THESE FIRMS THAT DO THIS ON A NATIONAL BASIS; WE ARE GOING TO START WITH ONE HAND TIED BEHIND OUR BACK. I’M CONVINCED OF THAT IS-THIS IS A BILL THAT I GUESS I’M GOING TO SUPPORT BUT I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE LAWSUITS YOU LOOK AT THE DOLLARS; YES IT’S APPALLING BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RESOURCES THAT HAVE TO PUT INTO IT I QUESTION WHETHER THE STATE OF MINNESOTA HAS THOSE RESOURCES TO DO THAT. SO IT’S A DEEP SUBJECT IS IMPORTANT SUBJECT BECAUSE WE WON AND WE GOT THAT MONEY AND IT WAS A SETTLEMENT THAT WAS A GRANT TO THE STATE OF MINNESOTA BUT WE WON. IF WE WERE DOING THIS OURSELVES WHEN WE HAVE EVEN HAD ANY MONEY AT HAND. I DON’T KNOW. JUST A FEW COMMENTS. THANK YOU.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: REPRESENTATIVE BLISS>>REPRESENTATIVE BLISS: YOU KNOW MY BILL DOESN’T ELIMINATE THE CONTENT IS MY BILL PUTS A CAP ON THE CONTINGENCIES. THE LAWYERS WILL FIGHT AND DON’T GET AS MUCH AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. I’M NOT DENYING LAWYERS THE ABILITY TO GO OUT AND EARN A LIVING TO UNDERSTAND THE RISKS THAT THEY ARE TAKING. BUT; THE NUMBERS THAT WE ARE TALKI NG HERE ARE OF ZINC AND 125 NINE DOLLARS. IT SHOULD WIN FOR ENVIRONMENT OF CLEANUP. THAT’S WHAT WAS MEANT FOR. INSTEAD IS GOING TO A LAW FIRM OUT IN CHICAGO. THIS MONEY WAS MEANT TO CLEAN UP THE ENVIRONMENT AND IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP AND I’M NOT JUMPING INTO THE POLITICS OF THAT LAWSUIT IS NOT MONEY MONEY QUARTERBACKING BECAUSE WERE GOING BACK AND ASKING FOR MONEY BACK. THAT SETTLEMENT IS DONE AND WE’VE AGREED TO IT. I JUST WANT TO PUT A LITTLE PUT SOME GUARDRAILS ON A GOING FORWARD.>>CHAI R ANDERSON: REPRESENTATIVE WARD>>REPRESENTATIVE WARD: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. 3M IS IN MY DISTRICT THE WATER THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT IS IN MY DISTRICT AND REPRESENTATIVE FENTON’S. REPRESENTATIVE LOHMER’S; REPRESENTATIVE FRANKE’S. IF WE HAD NOT DONE THIS; IF WE HAD NOT PURSUED THIS I’M VERY CONFIDENT THERE’S NO WAY WE COULD HAVEGOTTEN A LAW FIRM TO WORK UNDER THESE CONDITIONS THAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING SO IF WE ADOPT DONE A LAWSUIT AND ONE THE STATE OF MINNESOTA WOULD BE PICKING UP THE TAB TO CLEAN UP THIS WATER. THAT WOULD BE A LOT MORE THAT WE WOULD BE IN THE WHOLE IN A BIG WAY.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: REPRESENTATIVE LILLIE>>REPRESENTATIVE LILLIE: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. REPRESENTATIVE BLISS I PROBABLY WAS A WAY OF MOST MY COMMENTS FOR THE CHAIRS BILL THAT WILL BE LUCKY FOR HER. I’M AN AFFECTED AREA. I REPRESENT OAKDALE AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT REPRESENTATIVE WARD SPOKE TO I JUST REALLY ENCOURAGE CAUTION. I DON’T KNOW IF YOU-I MEAN I THOUGHT REPRESENTATIVE UGLEM’S WORDS WERE ACTUALLY REALLY POWERFUL. WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR PROBABLY CAN A VOTE FOR HEARTS BUT OTHER THAN THAT THE WORDS WERE REA LLY TRUE AND JUST WE HAVE TO BE SO CAREFUL BECAUSE I JUST DON’T KNOW WHO’S GOING TO THESE CASES. YES; YES; WE WISH WE WOULD GET THE WHO LE ENCHILADA WHATEVER THEY SAY BUT WE MOST LIKELY WOULD’VE HAD DONE NOTHING THAT’S GONNA GO TO REPRESENTATIVE FRANKE’S DISTRICT AND THE HEAVIEST TO OFFER-LITERALLY PEOPLE IN HIS DISTRICT ARE DRINKING BOTTLED WATER AND I MEAN YOU KNOW THE LISTED I COULD GO THROUGH IT IT’S TOUGH. I MEAN I DON’T KNOW IT’S GOT TO AFFECT HOME SALES MOST LIKE WHEN I GOT THE CASE JUST KIND OF REMINDS ME OF WHEN MY FAVORITE MOVIES I’VE’S SCENE. ERIN BROCKOVICH BUT I DON’T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED THAT THIS LITTLE LAW FROM DOING THIS CASE FOR SOME POLLUTION AND ULTIMATELY THAT TO JOIN UP WITH A BIGGER COMPANY BECAUSE THEY RAN OUT OF RESOURCES TO ACTUALLY GO AFTER THE BIG CASE I KNOW IT’S A MOVIE BUT IT’S BASED ON A TRUE STORY; TO BUT IT’S PRETTY POWERFUL AND ACTUALLY FITS THE STORY. THE OPTION WAS THE STATE OF MINNESOTA WOULD’VE HAD NOTHING. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE YOUR PEOPLE; TOO. THIS HONESTLY THAT COULD BE YOUR NEIGHBORS RIGHT NOW IT’S OURS AND I DON’T KNOW THE TRUE ANSWER I WISH EVERY DOLLAR; YES; WENT WITH THESE CASES HELP MINNESOTA THE TOBACCO O NE THAT WHAT’S HAPPENED I DON’T KNOW THE LEGAL DETAILS OF ALL THAT BUT IS QUITE A BIT OF MONEY TO WENT TO MINNESOTA. THE VOLKSWAGEN ONE THAT’S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. SPENDING MONEY AROUND IT ANYWAY I’M TALKING LONGER THAT IMMENSE BUT 3M SETTLEMENT VERY EASILY COULD HAVE BEEN ZERO AND I THINK REPRESENTATIVE UGLEM CAPTURE THE PUBLIC BETTER THAN I DO. THANK YOU.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: REPRESENTATIVE BLISS OR REPRESENTATIVE FENTON; EXCUSE ME.>>REPRESENTATIVE FENTON: YOU MME. AND MEMBERS. I LOOK AT THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY DONE POSSIBLE COMES TO OUR DISTRICT STAYS IN OUR DISTRICT FOR THE REMEDIATION OF THE WATER CLEANUP. WHAT WE DON’T SEE I’M GOING TO REQUE ST IT AND I’M GOING TO REQUESTED FOR YOUR BILL AS WELL BUT I WANT AN ITEMIZED INVOICE TO KNOW EXACTLY THE COST AND WHAT I DID BECAUSE I FEEL THAT THERE’S MORE MONEY THAT COULD’VE COME BACK; COME TO THESE DISTRICTS HELP WITH A WATER CLEANUP. SO I’D LIKE TO HAVE;; TO SEE ITEMIZED INVOICES OF THE MONEY COMING IN AND GOING OUT AND FOR WHAT AND WHY.>>CHAI R ANDERSON: REPRESENTATIVE WILL NOT RECEIVED ANY THAT DATA YET? [INAUDIBILE / OFF MIC] REPRESENTATIVE BLISS CLOSING COMMENTS>>REPRESENTATIVE BLISS: FOR THE RECORD I’VE REQUESTED THAT INFORMATION AS WELL. I DID GET A LIST OF WHAT THE ATTY. GEN.’S OFFICE CHARGES OUT TO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS BUT THAT’S ALL OF RECEIVED. FINAL WORDS I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO LIMIT RETURN TO LIMIT NOT TRYING TO CUT OUT CONTINGENCIES THERE IS A HARD BOTTOM IN THIS DOES NOT AFFECT ANY PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL. JUST THE STATE.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: I RENEW MY MOTI ON HOUSE FILE 3660 TO BE LAID OVER FOR POSSIBLE INCLUSION IN THE OMNIBUS STATE GOVERNMENT FINANCE BILL. WITH THAT MEMBERS -WE ARE GOING TO THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE BLISS. NOW WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO REPRESENTATIVE LUECK. I MOVE SENATE FILE 1690 4B REFER TO THE GENERAL REGISTER. WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE REPRESENTATIVE LUECK>>REPRESENTATIVE LUECK: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. GOOD AFTERNOON MEMBERS. THIS BILL WOULD ESTABLISH JUNE 29 AS A RECOGNITION OF GEN. JOHN BESSEY WHO WAS A MINNESOTAN WHO SERVED SIX YEARS ON ACTIVE DUTY AND REACHED THE RANK OF FOUR STARS. THIS IS BEEN IN THE WORKS HERE FOR ALMOST 2 YEARS AND SO THIS IS KIND OF THE LAST STEP HERE . THE SENATE DID DEAL WITH THIS BILL AT THE VERY END OF LAST SESSION. WE HAD EXTENSIVE TESTIMONY IN THE VETERANS COMMITTEE IN YOUR PACKET YOU’LL FIND A FAIRLY LENTIL’S LENGTHY DESCRIPTION OF GENERAL BESSEY AND HIS GROUND.. HE’S PRESUMABLY ONE OF THE MOST NOTED MINNESOTANS THAT ARE SERVED ON ACTIVE DUTY IN OUR NATIONS HISTORY. SO I REALIZE WE ARE PRESSED FOR TIME HERE. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS THAT ALSO SERVE ON THE VETERANS COMMITTEE. THEY COULD MAYBE ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT WE HAD EXTENSIVE HEARING ON THIS. WE HAD A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE WHO SERVE THE GENERAL BESSEY IN A VARIETY OF ROLES AND IN FACT MYSELF. I PUT 28 YEARS IN BUT ONLY 14 YEARS ON ACTIVE DUTY AT THE SAME TIME THAT GENERAL BESSEY DID. CRITICALLY; HE SERVED ON A UNDER RONALD REAGAN AS CHAIRMAN OF JOINT CHIEF OF STAFF. WHILE I WAS AT A LOWLY LIEUTENANT HE WAS THE SENIOR OFFICER IN THE UNITED STATES MILITARY AT THE TIME AND FOR THOSE OF YOU MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OLDER REMEMBER THAT’S WHEN WE WON THE COLD WAR. SO WITH THAT I CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE TESTIFIERS IF YOU DESIRE BUT FAIRLY WELL-KNOWN GENERAL BESSEY’S BACKGROUND AND IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD MOVE FORWARD AND RECOGNIZE THAT SPECIAL DAY FOR THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: IT THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE LUECK FOR BRINGING THE BILL FORWARD AND FOR YOUR SERVICE AS WELL. MEMBERS; DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? REPRESENTATIVE DETTMER>>REPRESENTATIVE DETTMER: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD. I THINK WAS LIKE THREE MONTHS BEFORE GENERAL BESSEY PASSED AWAY I GOT A PHONE CALL AND ONE OF HIS LAST MISSIONS WAS TO PROMOTE THE RENOVATION OF FORT SNELLING. SO WE CHATTED FOR QUITE A WHILE ON THE PHONE JUST ABOUT THAT PROJECT AND WOUND UP GETTING SUPPORT FOR VETERANS WE NEVER STOPPED DOING THINGS THAT WAS GOOD FOR THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND ALSO FOR OU R VETERANS PEOPLE SERVING IN THE MILITARY. SO THANK YOU.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO TESTIFY ON THIS BILL ? REPRESENTATIVE O’DRISCOLL>>REPRESENTATIVE O’DRISCOLL: I LIKE TO ECHO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT CHAIR DETTMER OF THE VETERANS COMMITTEE MAYBE I’VE A HIGH HONOR OF ATTENDING GENERAL BESSEY’S URINAL AND [INAUDIBLE] AT CAMP RIPLEY AT THE MINNESOTA STATE CEMETERY UP THERE. UP UNTIL ABOUT THE LAST TWO YEARS UNTIL 10 OH BESSEY WOULD’VE SAID TO AND TOOK MY LIFE. HE WOULD REPORT TO CAMP RIPLEY A VERY REGULAR BASIS BE PARTICIPATING IN HIGH-LEVEL DISCUSSIONS AS SOMEONE WHO HAD VAST KNOWLEDGE OF DEFENSE ISSUES IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AS WELL AS THE UNITED STATES. AS REPRESENTATIVE LUECK INDICATED HE’S A FOUR-STAR GENERAL YOUR TIME WE’VE A FIVE-STAR GENERAL IS WHEN THE UNIT STATES IS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN WAR SO HE IS CLEARLY A HIGH-RANKING OFFICIAL FROM THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND TO BE THE CHAIR OF THE CHAIR OF JOINT CHIEF OF STAFF’S TO REALLY BE THE PARTY WHO IS RESPONSIBLE KEEP THE ENTIRE WORLD FREE FROM TYRANNY I THINK THIS DAY HAS COME THAT MINNESOTA HAS A GENERAL CHECK BESSEY DAY. THANK YOU MEMBERS.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: THINK OF YOUR I’M GOING TO RENEW MY MOTION THAT HOUSE FILE OR SENATE FILE 5094 REFER TO THE GENERAL REGISTER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY; AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES.] OPPOSED; NAY. YOUR BILL IS ON ITS WAY. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE RARICK. WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE REPRESENTATIVE RARICK I MOVE HOUSE FILE 2012 FILE OVER FOR POSSIBLE INCLUSION IN THE OMNIBUS BILL. TO YOUR BILL.>>REPRESENTATIVE RARICK: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. WE DO HAVE A AMENDMENT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT INTO THE BILL TO GET IT IN THE WAY WE WO ULD LIKE. SPEECH EARNERS AND I MOVE THE A- TO AMENDMENT TO GET THE BILL IN THE SHAPE THE AUTHOR WISHES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY; AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES.] OPPOSED; NAY. THE AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED. TO YOUR BILL AS AMENDED.>>REPRESENTATIVE RARICK: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. MEMBERS; THIS IS A BILL TO TRY TO HELP OUR CONTRACTORS ESPECIALLY ARE SMALL CONTRACTORS TO BE PAID IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER FOR THE WORK THEY ARE DOING. TWO YEARS AGO I CARRIED A BILL THAT KEPT RETAINAGE AND 5% THAT WAS BECOMING COMMON PRACTICE [INAUDIBLE] 10% OF CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS AND FOR CASH FLOW REASONS TH IS WAS JUST KILLING OUR SMALL CONTRACTORS. SO IT WAS REALLY GOOD WE KEPT IT AT 5% BUT THE ONGOING PROBLEM IS THE FACT THAT THERE’S N O TRIGGER DATE IS TO WIN THE LAST 5% HAS TO BE PAID. THIS IS BECOMING VERY VERY DIFFICULT FOR ESPECIALLY OUR EARLY IN; CONTRARY ONE SECONDS DO THE EXCAVATION OF THE BEGINNING ARE PUTTING YOUR FOUNDATIONS. THEY ARE WAITING SOMETIMES 1-2 YEARS TO GET THAT FINAL 5%. THIS IS THEIR CASH LOOK AT THIS OF THEIR PROFIT. THIS IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2017 DISPARITIES REPORT THIS IS LISTED AS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE THAT’S KEEPING SMALL BUSINESSES FROM BEING ABLE TO OPEN UP AND TO STAY IN BUSINESS. BECAUSE THEY JUST CAN’T MAKE IT WITH THAT HELD OUT FOR SO LONG. ULTIMATELY; CONTRACTORS WOULD LIKE TO BE PAID WHEN THEY ARE COMPLETE AND THEY FINISH OTHER PAPERWORK BUT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A PROCESS THAT HAS TO GO THAT HAS TO BE DONE AND WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL MORE WORK IS DONE. SO WE HAVE COME A VERY VERY LONG WAY IN NEGOTIATING WITH THE CITIES IN THE COUNTIES AND ADMIN AND MNDOT AND MANY OTHERS MAKING PROVISIONS THAT THEY WILL BE HAPPY WITH IN THE AMENDMENT WE DID TODAY ADDRESSES SOME OF THAT. SAYING THAT EVEN THOUGH WE ARE RELEASING THE RETAINAGE WITH A 5% CAN STILL WITHHOLD 150% OF THE VALUE OF ANY WORK THAT IS NOT BEEN COMPLETED THERE’S PUNCH LIST OR JUST HASN’T BEEN DONE YET AND ALSO THEY WERE EXPRESSED CONCERNS THAT HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE TO FINISH THE PAPERWORK SO WE PUT A DOLLAR FIGURE TO THAT WE SAID SMALL CONTRACTS CAN WITHHOLD $500 TO MAKE SURE THEY DO THEIR PAPERWORK AND FOR LARGER PRODUCTS YOU CAN DO 1% OF THE WORK WORTH OF THE CONTRACT UP TO $10;000. WE FEEL THAT IS A VERY DECENT AMOUNT OF CONTRACTORS WAIT TO MAKE SURE THEY DO THEIR WORK. WE DID GET ONE OF THE THINGS TO ADDRESS HERE IS THE FISCAL NOTE IS NOT OFFICIAL YET.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: I THINK WE WERE GOING TO HIT THAT OUT WHEN MR. WAYNE –WAS HERE BUT IF MEMBERS WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A NO THAT’S HELPFUL AT ALL? OKAY WE WILL HAVE THE PAIGE DISSEMINATE THAT NOW. IT’S A PRELIMINARY FISCAL NOTE SO IT’S NOT-IT HASN’T BEEN SIGNED OFF ON . SO YOU WILL HAVE THAT AVAILABLE AND WE WILL GET AN UPDATED ONE AS WE PROCEED LATER ON. FOR NOW; JUST KNOW IT’S A PRELIMINARY ONE AND IT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. JUST BE AWARE OF THAT. SO REPRESENTATIVE RARICK>>REPRESENTATIVE RARICK: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. AS YOU GET THE FISCAL NOTE THEY STATED THEY BELIEVE THERE WILL BE A .25 FTE NECESSARY THIS GOES THROUGH AND RATIONALE IS THAT THERE BE MORE CASES THAT WOULD COME THROUGH THEY WOULD HAV E TO WEATHER TAKE IT TO COURT OR USE MORE HEAVIER MEANS IN ORDER TO GET CONTRACTORS TO FINISH THEY SAY IT’S TYPICALLY ABOUT 6-10 CONTRACTORS A YEAR BUT THEY END UP HAVING USE THIS ON CURRENTLY AND AS A CONTRACTOR MYSELF; I JUST DON’T SEE THAT WITH THE HUNDRED AND 50% THAT WE ARE SAYING YOU CAN STILL WITHHOLD I JUST CANNOT SEE THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT MANY MORE CASES THAT THEY HAVE TO COME DOWN. ONE REASON WHY IF YOU’RE REALLY HAVING A HARD TIME GET SOMEBODY TO COME BACK AND FINISH THE FIRST THING I WOULD DO IS CALL THE BOND COMPANY BECAUSE YOU CAN PULL THE BOND TO GET IT DONE THE LAST THING THE CONTRACTOR WANTS TO SEE HAPPEN IS THE BONDING COMPANY TO GET A HOLD OF THEM SAYING WHY YOU DOING WORK BECAUSE THERE RATES WILL GO RIGHT UP. SO THERE AMENDS METHODS TO GET CONTRACTS TO FINISH THE WORK IF THEY HAVEN’T DONE THEIR JOB. I BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU SAY 150% WITHHOLDING WITH THE VALUE OF THE WORK IS NOT ENOUGH TO GET CONTRACTORS BACK I THINK YOU’RE REALLY ATTACKING THE INTEGRITY OF THE CO NTRACTORS MINNESOTA. THEY WANT TO DO A GOOD JOB AND THEY WANT TO GET IT DONE AND THEY WANT TO GET IT DONE RIGHT. IN THE VALUE OF THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND THEY WOULD LIKE DOING JOBS FOR CITIES AND COUNTIES AND STATE AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO JEOPARDIZE THAT BY NOT COMING BACK AND FINISHING THEIR WORK. SO WHEN SOMEBODY TRIES TO CONVINCE YOU THAT WITHHOLDING 150% OF THE VALUE OF THE WORK IS NOT ENOUGH TO GET A CONTRACTOR TO COME BACK AND FINISH I SAY THAT IS-I WILL USE THE WORD.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: WE APPRECIATE THAT. [LAUGHING]>>REPRESENTATIVE RARICK: I COULD GO ON AND ON AND WE COULD PARADE 30-50 CONTRACTORS IN FRONT OF THE GROUP HERE TODAY TO ASK LANE THE STORY THAT’S HAPPENING.. THE ONE EXAMPLE THAT I WILL GIVE; I SENT EVERYBODY AN EMAIL YOU MAYBE DIDN’T GET IT BUT IF WE WERE TO WITHHOLD 5% OF EVERY CITIES LGA PAYMENTS UNTIL EVERY SINGLE CITY AND SUBMITTED ALL THE PAPERWORK THEY NEED ED THAT WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO WHAT WE’RE DOING TO CONTRACTORS RIGHT NOW. HOW DO YOU THINK CITIES WOULD RESPOND TO THAT? IF THEY DID NOT GET THAT LAST 5% OF THEIR PAYMENT UNTIL PINE CITY HINCKLEY MORA IN EVERY CITY ACROSS THE STATE FINISH THEIR PAPERWORK THEY WOULD SAY HATE WE SUBMITTED EVERYTHING WE NEED.. WE SHOULD GET OUR PAYMENT. THAT’S WHAT CONTRACTORS ARE SAYING. THAT IF WE ARE TO THE POINT WHERE YOU’RE BUILDING WHERE YOUR ROAD IS NOW BEING OCCUPIED AND USED IN WE HAVE COMPLETED EVERYTHING; WE DESERVE TO BE PAID IN FULL. THOSE WERE NOT DONE YOU CAN WITHHOLD MONEY FROM THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY COME BACK. BUT WITHOUT MME. CHAIR I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MY TESTIFIERS.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: THANK YOU. WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND PROCEED WITH YOUR TESTIMONY.>>TESTIFIER: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR AND COMMITMENTS MY NAME IS JOHN A GOLDEN. I’M HERE TO ASK THAT YOU PASS HOUSE FILE 2012 FOR THE PAST 22 YEARS OF BEEN A WOMAN BUSINESS OWNER OF A SMALL CONSTRUCTION COMPANY . SECOND-GENERATION TAKEN OVER FOR MY PARENTS. I HAVE 34 EMPLOYEES. I’M ONE OF TWO SUBCONTRACTORS THAT WE SPEAK TODAY BUT REST ASSURED THERE’S MANY MORE’S WITH SIMILAR STORIES THAT I HAVE. WE WORKED ON A PUBLIC PROJECT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN WHERE TO THIS DAY MY RETAINAGE FROM JULY 2013 HAS NOT BEEN PAID. THAT’S 1670 DAYS FOR MY FIRST INVOICE. ALL MY PAPERWORK IS IN AND I’VE NO PUNCHLIST ITEMS TO COMPLETE. BY NOW MY PROFIT MARGIN ON THE JOB IS COMPLETELY GONE. EACH DAY OF THE INTEREST NOT ONLY ON MY LINE OF CREDIT BUT ALSO HAVE TO BE MY BOOKKEEPER TO KEEP CALLING EVERY MONTH TO FIND OUT WHEN I’M GOING TO GET PAID. SO I CAN PLAN AHEAD. LET ME BE CLEAR. I WOULD NEVER EXPECT TO GET PAID ON ANY WORK HAD I NOT BEEN COMPLETELY DONE IN MY PAPERWORK IN. I WOULD NEVER EXPECT THAT. SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE THIS AFFECTS MY ABILITY TO SECURE LINE OF CREDIT FOR MY BANK BECAUSE THEY DO NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY RECEIVABLES OVER 90 DAYS WHEN MAKING THEIR DECISION. SO THIS ABUSE OF PAYMENT PRACTICE PULLED MY OWN SMALL WOMAN OWNED BUSINESS FROM CREATING JOBS AND [INAUDIBLE] DURING CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. BUT I DON’T NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT. THAT’S WHAT THE GC DEALS. WHAT I DO IS PERFORM THE WORK I PAY MATERIAL LABOR AND INSURANCE AND THEN I ACT AS THE BANK UNTIL THEY DECIDE TO PAY ME FOR MY WORK. THE CURRENT RETAINAGE PRACTICES NEED TO BE CHANGED IN MINNESOTA SO SMALL BUSINESSES LIKE MINE CAN GROW . I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR LISTENING. THANK YOU.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT TESTIFIER SO IT’S BEEN FIVE YEARS THEY GIVE A NEW AND RESPONSIVE TO WHY?>>TESTIFIER: YES.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: MS. GOLDEN? DO NOT CARE TO SAY?>>TESTIFIER: IT’S BECAUSE OF FIREARM ISSUES WHICH IS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY WORK.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: OKAY THANK YOU. I HAVE NEXT MR. BYERS AND THEN MR.–. IF I SAID THAT RIGHT? WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND PROCEED WITH YOUR TESTIMONY.>>TESTIFIER: MY NAME IS RUST BUYERS. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF A VETERAN OWNED BUSINESS BASED HERE IN ST. PAUL. THAT JUST OPENED OUR 10TH ANNIVERSARY THIS MONTH WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE SMALL BUSINESS GOING BUSINESS AND WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SEVERAL PUBLIC PROJECTS ARE SELF. THAT I’M NOT GONNA SHARE MY PERSONAL EXPENSES TO THE CURRENTLY THE PRESIDENT OF MINNESOTA SUBCONTRACTORS ASSOCIATIONAND I JUST WANT TO SHARE THE RESULTS OF ONE POLE WE DID AMONGST OUR MEMBERS REGARDING PUBLIC PROJECTS. TOOK A SMALL SAMPLE AS THEM TO RESPOND TO A LIST OF 90 PUBLIC PROJECTS WITHIN THOSE PUBLIC PROJECTS WAS MORE THAN $1.3 MILLION FOR [INAUDIBLE] AGAIN CONTRACTS AND WAS OUT FOR AN AVERAGE OF 299 DAYS AFTER THE WORK WAS COMPLETE. FOR EACH OF THOSE TRADES. TO BE BLUNT; AGAIN; LIKE DONNA SAID; WERE NOT ASKING TO COMPETE FOR WORK WE HAVE NOT FINISHED AND WERE NOT ASKING TO GET PAID ON WORK THAT WASN’T FINISHED PROPERLY CLEARLY AND TO THE OWNERS SATISFACTION. WE ARE PURELY ASKING TO GET PAID ON TIME AND THE WORK WE HAVE COMPLETED. MOST OF OUR BUSINESSES BECAUSE THEY ARE IN CONSTRUCTION OF A CAPITAL INTENSIVE AND WHEN YOU HAVE THIS MUCH MONEY TIED UP IN A RETAINAGE ON YOUR BOOKS IT FRANKLY STIFLES OUR GROWTH DOES MAKE A REAL IMPACT OF WHAT WE CAN DO TO GROW OUR BUSINESSES. I WILL KEEP IT THAT SIMPLE. JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND HOPE YOU’LL PASS THE BILL. THANK YOU.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: THANK YOU MR. BYERS. MR.- -. DON’T WORRY MEMBERS YOU ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS. WHICH IS CAN GO THROUGH THE TESTIFIERS FIRST. WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND PROCEED WITH YOUR TESTIMONY.>>TESTIFIER: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR MY NAME IS JASON-A LAWYER WITH THE CONSTRUCTION LAW FIRM THOMPSON TERRORISTIC [INAUDIBLE]. I’M ALSO MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE MINNESOTA SUBCONTRACTOR ASSOCIATION. I THINK THE CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR ENTERTAINING THE BILL. I’M RESPECTFUL THE COMMITTEE’S TIME I RECOGNIZE THAT REPRESENTATIVE RARICK [INAUDIBLE] HAVE SUMMED UP THE PROBLEM ADEQUATELY COULD I BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE BUT I’LL LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW. THANK YOU.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: THANK YOU FOR BEING AVAILABLE. MR. WAS LOST SKI. WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND PROCEED WITH YOUR TESTIMONY.>>TESTIFIER: MY NAME IS WAYNE-EVAN SENIOR DIRECTOR FOR REAL ESTATE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES WITH IMPAIRMENT OF ADMINISTRATION. FIRST WANT TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR THE MANY CONVERSATIONS THAT WE’VE HAD IN THE WORK TO TRY TO MAKE SURE BOTH TAXPAYERS INTERESTS ARE PROTECTED AS WELL AS SMALL BUSINESSES AND SUBCONTRACTORS. SINCERELY APPRECIATE THAT. WE STILL HAVE AN ETHIC AND CONCERNS WITH THE BILL IS AMENDMENT-AS AMENDED. OBVIOUSLY YOU’VE HEARD ALREADY THAT [INAUDIBLE] IS AN IMPORTANT INCENTIVE FOR ENSURING COMPLETION OF WORK AND SUBMISSION OF PROJECT CLOSEOUT DOCUMENTS. I WOULD ALSO ADD REPRESENTATIVE RARICK’S COMMENT MINNESOTA IS FORTUNATE OF EXCELLENCE PRIME CONTRACTORS AND SUBCONTRACTORS BUT IT’S NOT LIKE OTHER STATES. IN ANY MANY OTHER STATES ARE MUCH MORE DIFFICULTY CIRCUMSTANCES IN THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE WITH THE QUALITY OF CONTRACTORS AND SUBCONTRACTORS THAT WE GET TO COMPLETE A PUBLIC PROJECTS. AN ASPECT THAT IS TOUCHED ON ON THIS THE IMPORTANCE OF PROMPT PAYMENT. WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT ESPECIALLY FOR SMALL BUSINESSES FOR US TO PROMPTLY PAID WORK AND THAT’S [INAUDIBLE] AS PROGRESS PAYMENTS ARE MADE ON A TIMELY BASIS WE TRACK THAT. WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WATCHING TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PAIN ON PROMPT BASIS THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS AROUND PROMPT PAYMENT LEGISLATURE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT’S IMPORTANT ISSUE. WHEN IT COMES TO RETAINAGE OUR CURRENT PRACTICES AND AGAIN; THE BILL COVERS ALL PUBLIC CONTRACTING AGENCY SO IT’S A BROAD GROUP THAT IS BE ING COVERED I CAN SPEAK TO EVANS PRACTICES. MOST OF OUR RETAINAGE IS PAID OUT AT OR BEFORE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION ON OUR PROJECTS. WE HAVE NOT HEARD-WE’VE NOT HAD CONTRACTORS COMING TO US INDICATING THAT THERE’S A COMPLAINT. IF THEY HAVE A REQUEST FOR RETAINAGE THEY CAN START DOING THAT AT 50% COMPLETION. YOU WILL REDUCE STATUS AND POTENTIALL Y REDUCE RETAINAGE AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT AND EVERYTHING IS PROGRESSING WELL. SPECIFIC CONCERNS AMENDMENT THE BILL AS DRAFTED; THE 150% OF THE VALUE OF INCOMPLETE WORK FOR EFFECTIVE WORK.. THAT CAN BE A DIFFICULT THING TO DETERMINE. THE ACTUAL VALUE OF THE DEFECTIVE WORK SPECIFICALLY RELATES TO DO THE WORK AND NOT NECESSARILY A PUNCHLESS WORK BUT THE FACT WORK YOU’RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING WENT WRONG; SOMETHING’S NOT WORKING RIGHT THERE CAN BE MULTIPLE TRADES INVOLVED IN SOME INVESTIGATION REQUIRED TO DETERMINE WHAT IT’S GOING TO TAKE TO COMPLETE THE REPAIR AND WHO’S ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. THE ONE THING THE BILL DOES WITH PEANUT RETAINAGE AFTER 45 DAYS OF SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION THERE STILL POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL DEFECTIVE WORK IDENTIFIED AFTER THAT 45 DAY PERIOD. SO AGAIN LOSING A KEY INCENTIVE THAT’S OUT THERE FOR FOLKS TO COME BACK TO THE WORK. THE OTHER THING ALL STRESSES JUST THE IMPORTANCE OF THE LIMIT THAT WAS PUT ON WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT WAS FROM PAPERWORK BUT THE DOLLAR LIMITS THAT ARE BEING ESTABLISHED IN THE BILL DON’T REFLECT AND OBVIOUSLY WERE WORKING ON FROM A PROJECT SIZE OF $100;000 UP TO $100 MILLION [INAUDIBLE] SO DOESN’T ACCOUNT FOR THE SIZE OF THE PROJECTS A NUMB ER OF TRADE CONTRACTORS YOU POTENTIALLY MAY HAVE LARGE PROJECTS; 30-40 DIFFERENT TRADE PARTNERS ON PROJECTS. SO THAT ALL AMOUNT WE DON’T THINK IS SUFFICIENT INCENTIVE ON CERTAIN PROJECTS FOR FOLKS TO MAKE SURE THE PAPERWORK IS COMPLETED. THAT PAPERWORK CAN INCLUDE DRAWINGS; IT COULD INCLUDE THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE MANUALS THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO OPERATE THE FACILITY ON AN ONGOING BASIS IN THE COST OF RE-CREATING THE WORK IF YOU HAD TO COME BACK USE TAXPAYER FUNDS TO RE-CREATE THAT WORK WE DIDN’T IF YOU DID NOT RECEIVE IT WILL BE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT THAN THE DOLLAR THRESHOLDS THAT ARE ESTABLISHMENT ONE OTHER POINT I’LL MAKE IT MAY SEEM LIKE A FINE POINT IS RUN THE DEFINITION OF SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION. CURRENTLY; WE USE THE AIA DEFINITION FOR SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION. THAT’S A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED SET OF INSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED DEFINITION IT’S IN MANY CONTRACTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. WE THINK THAT CHANGING THAT DEFINITION MAKES A SMALL DIFFERENCE IN WORK WE THINK IT’S A VERY IMPACTFUL–IT TAKES AND REMOVES THE TERM IN ACCORDANCE WITH CONTRACT DOLLARS. THAT SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DATE IS CURRENTLY DEFINED; WE HAVE A CONTRACT DOCUMENTS THAT’S WHAT IS USED FOR SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DATE. WE THINK THAT’S IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION AS WELL. AT THIS BILL WOULD REVISE THAT. WITH THAT I THINK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: LIKE YOU. IF YOU COULD STICK AROUND WILL GO THROUGH THE LIST; FIRST. M R. MALONEY. WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND PROCEED WITH YOUR TESTIMONY.>>TESTIFIER: MY NAME IS MARK MALONEY. THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF SHOREVIEW RABBIT EMPLOYED IN THE CAPACITY FOR 24 YEARS. I AM HERE TESTIFYING ON BEHALF OF THE LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITIES IN OPPOSITION TO HOUSE FILE 2912. CITIES ARE SYMPATHETIC TO THE TESTIMONY BY THE SUBCONTRACTORS. THE IMPACT RELY QUITE HEAVILY ON PO SITIVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALL OF THE PARTNERS THESE PROJECTS ON BEHALF OF PUBLIC. THAT’S WHY THE LEAK AND TALKED WITH THE AUTHOR AND TRY TO FIND SOME MIDDLE GROUND. WE SUGGESTED THE LANGUAGE THAT ARE ALIGNS 19 THROUGH 116 THE CURRENT AMENDMENT IS THE BILL AS YOU GOT IT HOWEVER WE OPPOSE THE REST OF THE BILL. CITIES NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FISCAL AGENT WITH TAXPAYER MONEY TO ONE OF THE WAYS WE DO THIS IS WITH RETAINAGE. HOLDING RETAINAGE WHICH IS EARLIER MENTION CAPSID BY LAW 55 % ENSURES PUNCHLESS ITEMS GETS DONE AND REQUIRED FORMS AND PAPERWORK AS IS COMPLETED RETAINAGE IS MODIFIED AS ARTICULATED IN THIS BILL WITH THE PUBLIC ENTITIES PRIMARILY WITH A COSTLY STICK OF COLLECTING ON PERFORMANCE BONDS FILING WARRANTY CLAIMS OR PURSUING LITIGATION. ALL OF WHAT YOU BE A COST TO TAXPAYERS SIMPLY TO GET PROJECTS COMPLETED IN A MANNER IN WHICH THEY’VE ALREADY BEEN CONTRACTED FOR. BUT WE APPRECIATE THE AUTHORS ATTEMPT TO HELP PUBLIC OWNERS MAINTAIN THIS CARR OT BY WITHHOLDING 150% OF INCOMPLETE OR DEFECTIVE WORK REALITY IS WE ARE UNSURE OF THIS AMOUNT WILL BE IN ENOUGH INCENTIVE FOR CONTRACTORS OR SUBCONTRACTORS TO FINISH THE BECAUSE THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF MONETARY VOUCHER FOR EXAMPLE THINGS LIKE VINYL SIDING; RESTORATION; CLEANUP OR IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS THE VALUE OF IT MAY ONLY BE IN HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS IN PARTICULAR START OUT AS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. ALONG THESE LINES THE PAPERWORK REFERRED TO IN THE AMENDMENTIS CAPPED AT 1%. THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT THEIR PROJECTS CITIES ONLY GET REIMBURSED BY STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDING SOURCES WHEN ALL OF THE REQUIRED PAPERWORK IS TURNED IN. IT’S HARD TO QUANTIFY THE VALUE OF THIS BUT IT CERTAINLY SEEMS WORTH MORE THAN 1%. WE ARE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION ON THIS ISSUE BUT WE DON’T THINK THIS BILL IS THE SOLUTION. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER RETAINAGE IS WAY FESTIVITIES TO BE RESPONSIBLE FISCAL AGENTS THE TAXPAYER MONEY. THEREFO RE WE RESPECTFULLY REMAIN OPPOSED TO HOUSE FILE 2912.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: THANK YOU MR. MAHONEY. PLEASE; STICK AROUND IF YOU LOOK AT MR. CARLSON. WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND PROCEED WITH YOUR TESTIMONY.>>TESTIFIER: I AM KEITH CARLSON EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE MINNESOTA INTERCOUNTY ASSOCIATION AND BESIDES OUR ORGANIZATION ALSO BECOME HALF OF MINNESOTA COUNTY ENGINEERS ASSOCIATION AND THE ASSOCIATION OF MI NNESOTA COUNTIES. THIS BILL HAS BEEN THE SOURCE OF A LOT OF CONVERSATION AND THE COUNTY ENGINEERS WEEKLY CONFERENCE CALL AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL INDIVIDUAL EMAILS AND TELEPHONE CONVERSATIONS. I WANT TO THANK REPRESENTATIVE RARICK FOR HEARING OUR CONCERNS AND ADDRESSING MANY OF THEM PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO ROAD CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS. WITH THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN CAPTURED BY THIS AMENDMENT WE FRANKLY CAN LIVE WITH THIS BILL. I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE PAPERWORK PROVISION IS IMPORTANT TO US. AND YOU WANT TO EMPHASIZEIS THAT THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE ARE PROVIDED THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THIS SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE WARRANTIES AND MANUALS THAT ARE BEEN DISCUSSED BY PREVIOUS TESTIFIERS. FOR OBVIOUS REASONS THESE ARE IMPORTANT TO US. AGAIN I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR INCLUDING THE DEFINITION ONLINE 2.4 THROUGH 2.6 TO BETTER DEFINE THE TERMS SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION IN WHICH THE RETAINAGE HAS TO BE RELEASED. WITH THAT I WILL [INAUDIBLE].>>CHAIR ANDERSON: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO TESTIFY TO THIS BILL? ALL RIGHT. MEMBERS; QUESTIONS ? REPRESENTATIVE OLSON>>REPRESENTATIVE OLSON: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING OBVIOUSLY THERE’S GOOD CONCERN HERE AND I THINK SOME OF IT SEEMS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE AMENDMENT LANGUAGE. THE 1.9-1.7 SPECIFICALLY BUT I HEARD FROM WITH YOUR TESTIFIER BEING ALL SUBCONTRACTORS AND PRIME CONTRACTORS. SO I HEAR THAT. I WONDER THOUGH IS WHEN THE STATE GOVERNMENT FINANCE COMMITTEE IS WE HAVE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF TAXPAY ER RESOURCES AND HAVE ADEQUATE TOOLS IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HAVE WERE COMPLETED AND IT’S NOT DRAGGED ON INCOMPLETE AT THE TAXPAYERS EXPENSE. SO I DO SHARE SOME CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED HERE I THINK ABOUT LAST SESSION WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL AND THERE WERE PEOPLE STILL ON SCAFFOLDING AND THERE WERE TRAINS IN THE FRONT YARD AND THERE WAS NO SOD JUST THERE WAS A LOT THAT WAS DONE WE STILL OCCUPY THE BUILDING WE STILL HEAR ABOUT IT. OFTEN GETS BROUGHT UP IN PEOPLE BRISTLE AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS INVESTED IN THE CAPITAL BUILDING. SO I DO SHARE CONCERNS. I LIKE THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE AMENDMENTS. I DO THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY TO CONTRACTORS TO I THINK MS. GOLDIN-YES; THAT SHE MENTIONED DIDN’T ACTUALLY SEEM LIKE THE ISSUE THAT SHE BROUGHT UP WAS ACTUALLY BETWEEN THE STATE AGENCIES AND HURT-THE PRIME CONTRACTOR. SOME WONDERING IF WE FURTHER DOWN THE CONVERSATION AROUND NOT NECESSARILY THE PUBLIC CONTRACTING AGENCY IS THERE SOME MORE RESPONSIBILITY WITH THE PRIME CONTRACTOR AND SO I DON’T REALLY HAVE A QUESTIO N JUST A COMMENT ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT YOU SHARED HERE BUT I HOPE WE DON’T MAKE DECISIONS THEN COST THE TAXPAYERS MONEY DOWN THE ROAD . I JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: YOU WANT TO COME IN?>>TESTIFIER: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. THAT’S WHAT WE ARE [INAUDIBLE] CERTAIN CONTRACTORS ALL USE THE CAPITAL EXAMPLE. ALL THE RESTORATION WORK WAS DONE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. THAT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS THEY STARTED WITH. WE KNEW THAT WAS DONE. SO WHY WOULD WE BE WAITING TO PAY THAT CONTRACTOR THEIR FINAL PAYMENT WHILE WERE WAITING FOR THE LITTLE BIT OF PAINTING AND THE THINGS INSIDE TO BE DONE? THAT’S WHAT THIS BILL IS GETTING AT 26 THAT WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT ALL THE PAYMENTS NEED TO BE MADE. WE CAN WITHHOLD ON THOSE WHO STILL ARE NOT DONE. BUT THE BULK OF THE WORK IS ALREADY DONE AT THE POINT WHEN THEY TAKE OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING OR A ROAD WE ARE SAYING; NO THOSE PEOPLE WERE IN EARLY THE Y BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME FOR THAT LAST PAYMENT AND THEY SHOULD BE PAID FOR THAT. PART OF WHAT WE ARE GETTING AT IS THIS IS ACTUALLY A RELEASE OF THE PAYMENT TO THE PRIME CONTRACTOR THAN MINNESOTA STATUTES SAY THAT THEY HAVE 10 DAYS TO PAY THEIR SUBCONTRACTORS TO THE SAME LEVEL THEY BEEN PAID. SO WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE CARE BOTH THE PRIMES AND THE SUBS WITH THIS LANGUAGE.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: REPRESENTATIVE RARICK; SO SAYING THAT THE PUBLIC ENTITY PAYS THE PRIME CONTRACTOR THEIR REQUIRED BY LAW TO THEN SUBMIT IT IN 10 DAYS WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON’T DO THAT? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PRIME CONTRACTOR THAN?>>REPRESENTATIVE RARICK: SO MINNESOTA STATUTE WITH PROMPT PAY SAYS THAT IF THEY’VE NOT PAID TO THAT SAME LEVEL WITHIN THE 10 DAYS THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR INTEREST AND LATE FEE PENALTIES TO THE SUBCONTRACTOR; WHICH SUBCONTRACTORS PROBABLY HAVE TO USE SOME FORM OF LITIGATION TO GET THAT BUT THAT’S THE POINT OF THE LAW THE PROMPT PAYMENT LAW.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE OLSON FOLLOW TO THAT?>>REPRESENTATIVE OLSON: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. I WOULD’VE THE DEPARTMENT OF ADMIN WOULD OFFER COMMENT TO MY COMMENT TO THE COMMENT? MAKE YOU.>>TESTIFIER: JUST WANT TO FOLLOW I THINK THE CAPITAL RESTORATION IS REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE THAT WE HAD SUBSTANTIAL DATE WAS DECEMBER 31 OF 2016. WE HONESTLY MEDIALLY STARTED TO OCCUPY THE FACILITY.. SESSION STARTED JANUARY 3 AT NOON ON THE 17TH WHICH WE WERE VERY AWARE OF. IN THAT CASE; WHAT WE DID IS REDUCE THE RETAINAGE AND WE TRIED TO AGAIN REFLECT [INAUDIBLE] IS HOW MUCH WE HAVE LEFT TO COMPLETE ON THE PROJECT AND WE OBVIOUSLY WE STORE PAPERWORK BUT WE DID REDUCE THAT RETAINAGE THAT WE WERE HOLDING SO THAT THE FOLKS THAT WERE EARLY ON THE PROJECT COULD GET PAID THE RETAINAGE IS AS LONG AS THAT ALL THE WORK COMPLETED. I JUST WANT TO OFFER THAT. I THINK THAT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF OUR PRACTICES [INAUDIBILE / OFF MIC]>>CHAIR ANDERSON: OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE QUAM>>REPRESENTATIVE QUAM: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. MR.–; WAS WELL-PUBLICIZED THE GRAND OPENING FOR CAPITAL AND I’M CURIOUS WHAT RETAINAGE THERE WAS STILL BEING HELD IF ANY OF THE GRAND OPENING FOR THE CAPITAL AND ARE THERE ANY PUNCHLESS SUCH AS SOUND SYSTEMS AND VOTING BOARD AND HOUSE CHAMBER; ANYTHING LEFT ON THAT? WERE EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE AND PAID?>>TESTIFIER: AT THE GRAND OPENING I BELIEVE THE RETAINAGE IS ABOUT 250;000. AGAIN WAS A $300 MILLION PROJECT. I BELIEVE WERE HOLDING 250;000 I’LL COME BACK IF THAT ISN’T THE ACCURATE NUMBER BUT THAT’S THE NUMBER FOUR THE GRAND OPENING TO YOU STILL HAVE SOME WARRANTY WORK THAT IS ONGOING. WE HAVE ALSO THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION MET RECENTLY AND WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT [INAUDIBLE] EXTERIOR PEERS IT’S A SAFEGUARDS OF THE SOME ADDITIONAL WORK THAT’S HAPPENING AND WERE ALSO LOOKING AT MICROPHONES FOR THE HOUSE CHAMBER FOR EXAMPLE. SO THERE’S SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS [LAUGHING]>>CHAIR ANDERSON: I’M GLAD YOU TOOK THE HANDS.>>TESTIFIER: YES. [LAUGHING] IT’S VERY INTERESTING CONSENSUS WITH HUNDRED 34 MEMBERS. ON THE OPTION [INAUDIBLE] SO THERE’S STILL SOME THINGS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: THANK YOU. I THINK ANYBODY ELSE? OTHERWISE; REPRESENTATIVE RARICK ANY FINAL COMMENT YOU WANT TO MAKE? DO APPRECIATE IT BEEN WORKING WITH ALL THE PARTIES INVOLVED WHEN MS. GOLDIN SAYS YOU BEEN WAITING FOR FIVE YEARS QUITE FRANKLY I THINK THAT’S RIDICULOUS. SO HOPEFULLY YOU CAN WORK WITH THE INTERESTED PARTIES TO KIND OF GET AT ALL THEIR CONCERNS BUT AT THE SAME TIME MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING-NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO WAIT FIVE YEARS TO GET PAID FOR WORK BEST ON TO SATISFACTION. FINAL COMMENT?>>REPRESENTATIVE RARICK: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR IT GOES TO->>CHAIR ANDERSON: I GUESS ONE OF THINGS I LOOK AT THIS I HOPE THAT CITIES ARE NOT LOOKING THIS IS A KIND OF A BUDGETING TOOL IF YOU WILL BY DELAYING PAYMENTS. SO I HOPE THAT’S NOT THE CASE. ANYWAY REPRESENTATIVE RARICK>>REPRESENTATIVE RARICK: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. I DON’T BELIEVE THAT CITIES ARE CONSIDERING AS A BUDGETING TOOL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND I THINK WITH HER MORE SO USING IT AS A MEANS OF SAYING GETTING O THER CONTRACTORS WERE COMPLETED TO TRY TO GET A HOLD OF BILLS WHO AREN’T AND USE THEM AS A MEANS TO GET WORK COMPLETED. THAT’S NOT WHAT PEOPLE STARTED CONTRACTING BUSINESSES FOR. THEY STARTED THEIR BUSINESSES TO DO THE WORK THAT THEY DO WHETHER IT’S ELECTRICAL; PLUMBING OR CARPENTRY OR WHATEVER. T HEY DO NOT SIGN UP TO BE THE HAMMER TO GET OTHER PEOPLE TO FINISH THEIR WORK. THAT’S WHAT RETAINAGE IS BEING USED FOR TODAY. I BELIEVE-I WOULD LIKE TO BE ASKED STAFF TO COMMENT WAS MADE WE CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION.. WE DID AT SOME LANGUAGE IN THE CHANGE FOR ROADS; FOR ROAD PROJECTS BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE ARE DIFFERENT AND ANIMALS AND BUILDINGS ARE BUT WE DO NOT CHANGE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DEFINITIONS FOR BUILDING PROJECTS. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WORKED WITH STAFF TO DRAFT UP YOUR>>CHAIR ANDERSON: MR.–>>STAFF: THAT’S CORRECT. THE ONLY NEW LANGUAGE LED TO SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION IS THE PROJECT LANGUAGE AND THERE’S NOTHING IN THERE WAS IS BUILDING SPECIFIC COMPLETION.>>REPRESENTATIVE RARICK: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. SO WE HAVE NOT CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION COULD YOU CLARIFY BECAUSE COUNTIES WERE CONCERNED THAT ROADS ARE VAST LY DIFFERENT AND BUILDINGS ARE AS FAR AS WHEN YOU ARE USING THEM AND HOW YOU’RE USING THEM. THAT WAS WHEN THE ADDITIONAL ISSUES WE ADDRESS. I THINK WE SEE THIS BOTH WAYS. THERE ARE BAD APPLES OUT THERE IN THE CONTRACTING BUSINESS PEOPLE DON’T COME IN AND FINISH THEIR WORK. BUT WE SHOULD BE HOLDING ALL CONTRACTORS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. I ADMIT AND OR OTHER COMMITTEE STOP THE CITY OF ELK RIVER WAS IN AND GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF HOW WELL THEY DID IT RELEASE IT RETAINAGE AND WE HEARD FROM ADMIN AND I AGREE THERE’S PLACES OUT THERE DO A VERY GOOD JOB BUT THEY DON’T ALL-THAT IS NOT THE NORMAL AND WE ARE SAYING THAT WE NEED TO USE THIS SO THAT ALL PROJECTS ARE BEING HANDLED THIS WAY. IF EVERYBODY ALREA DY DID THAT WE WE WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY ASKING FOR THIS. SO THAT’S WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS THAT THAT WOULD BE DONE AND THE OTHER THING; TOO; WE SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSING WARRANTY WORK WITH CONTRACT WORK. THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAPPENED TO THE CONTRACTOR GETS ON WITH THEIR WORK. IT’S BEEN DONE . EVERYBODY LEAVES IT’S GOOD AND SOMETHING HAPPENS DOWN THE LINE AND SOMETHING GOES WRONG. BUT THAT’S WHY THERE’S WARRANTY PROVISIONS IN CONTRACTS AND YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE TO COME BACK AND FINISH THAT. SO HOLDING CONTRACT DOLLARS FOR WARRANTY WORK; THAT IS NOT NORMAL PROCEDURES THAT’S WHAT’S BEEN HAPPENING NOW WITH THE RETAINAGE. AGAIN; YOU CAN GO AFTER CONTRACTORS BOND IF THE NOT TO COME BACK AND DO THEIR WARRANTY WORK THAT IS THE METHOD THAT SO MANY CONTRACTORS ARE SAYING; THAT’S WHAT WE SHOULD DOING NOT WITHHOLDING YOUR PROFIT MARGINS ON HOW THESE JOBS OCCUR FOR MONTHS IF NOT YEARS. MEMBERS; THANK YOU TOM>>CHAIR ANDERSON: I RENEW MY MOTION HOUSE FILE 2912 AS AMENDED BE NEW OVER FOR POSSIBLE INCLUSION IN THE STATE GOVERNMENT FINANCE COMMITTEE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY; AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES.] OPPOSED; NAY. FOLKS WE ARE GOOD TO GO ON THAT. REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON.>>REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON: I LIKE TO GET THE DE – AMENDMENT ON THIS BILL TO GET IN THE SHAPE I’D LIKE.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: MEMBERS I’M GOING TO MOVE HOUSE FILE 3204 AND THE DE – ONE AMENDMENT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY; AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES.] OPPOSED; NAY. THE AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED. REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON DID YOU WANT THE DE – ONE FOR THE DE –TWO?>>REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON: I’M GOING TO GO WITH THE DE – ONE.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: WE DID THE RIGHT ONE. [LAUGHING]. TO YOUR BILL. BE PETERSON THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. BREAST CANCER IS THE NUMBER ONE CANCER THAT>>REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON:>>REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON: [INAUDIBLE] BREAST CANCER IS THE NUMBER ONE A [INAUDIBLE] IN FACT 12% OF WOMEN WILL DEVELOP BREAST CANCER IN THEIR LIFETIME MEMBER CAN HELP FIND BREAST CANCER EARLY EVEN BEFORE SYMPTOMS APPEAR WHEN HIS MOST TREATABLE. THE STANDARD OF CARE IS TRADITIONALLY BEEN CALLED A 2-D MAMMOGRAM. HOWEVER; 2011 THE FDA APPROVED IS SIMPLY CALLED A 3-D MAMMOGRAM. THIS TAKES PICTURES AT DIFFERENT ANGLES AND THUS IMPROVES THE ACCURACY BY 96%. IN FACT; THE 2-D MAMMOGRAM ONLY CAN MESS UP 40-50% OF THE CANCERS IN WOMEN AND UP TO 43% OF WOMEN TO HAVE [INAUDIBLE] CONDENSE BREAST AND THAT’S WHY THIS LEGISLATION IS FOR YOU TODAY. THE RESULTS SHOW THAT WITH 3-D MAMMOGRAMS A 41% INCREASE IN EARLY DETECTION OF POTENTIALLY LETHAL TUMORS AND A 50% REDUCTION IN FALSE POSITIVES RESULTED IN EXPENSE WITH A 2-D MAMMOGRAM. ACCORDING TO THE CMS WAS SUFFICIENT CLINICAL EVIDENCE OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF 3-D BREAST IMAGING TO WARRANT COVERAGE FOR ALL WOMEN IN SEVERAL INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE DECIDED TO COVER THE COST OF 3-D MAMMOGRAMS. BUT AS SOME-NOT ALL INSURANCE COMMITTEES ON THE SAME PAGE BUT AS A RESULT OF ALL THE INFORMATION; SEVEN STATES FROM ARKANSAS TO NEWARK TO TEXAS HAVE ALREADY STARTED PASSING LAWS MANDATING ITS COVERAGE. AS YOU KNOW; MAMMOGRAMS ARE ALREADY A MANDATE IN PLACE. SO WHAT MY BILL DOES IS VERY LIMITED IN SCOPE AND MORE LIMITED THAN WHAT’S AND PASSED BY OTHER STATES ALREADY. SO IT SAYS THAT WOMEN WHO’VE ALREADY HAD BREAST CANCER OR WHO ARE HIGH RISK FOR GETTING IT HAVE THE CHOICE TO HAVE THE TEST PAID FOR BY THEIR INSURANCE. EARLY DETECTION IS THE KEY TO MOST WOMEN’S SUCCESSFULLY BEATING BREAST CANCER AND THUS CHEAPER TO TREAT. MME. CHAIR; YOU HAVE ONE TESTIFIER HERE AS WELL.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE BE TESTIMONY>>TESTIFIER: MY NAME IS LISA HILLS AND I SERVE AS AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE MINNESOTA NEWSPAPER ASSOCIATION . I’M TESTIFYING PERSONALLY TODAY. 12 YEARS AGO I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH BREAST CANCER WAS 45 YEARS OLD. I STARTED HAVING MAMMOGRAMS MY EARLY 40S. 2006 A NOTICE OF INTENT IN MY LEFT BREAST MY DOCTOR IMMEDIATELY SCHEDULED A 2-D MAMMOGRAM. 3-D’S WERE NOT AVAILABLE THEN. MY TUMOR WAS NOT DETECTED ON THE MAMMOGRAM AND THAT’S WHEN I WAS TOLD I HAD DENSE REST TISSUE. SINCE IT WAS NO VISUAL SIGN OF BREAST CANCER I WAS SCHEDULED FOR AN ULTRASOUND AND A TUMOR WAS DISCOVERED ON AN ULTRASOUND W AS ALSO DETECTED LATER ON AN MRI. MY TUMOR MEASURED 1.8 CM SO ABOUT THE SIZE OF MY TOP OF MY LITTLE FINGER. I CHOSE TO HA VE A VASECTOMY AND RECONSTRUCTION SURGERY. PRIOR TO SURGERY IT WAS COMMON TO PERFORM A BIOPSY AND THE PROCEDURE REMOVES A FEW LYMPH NODES TO MY LYMPH NODES TESTED POSITIVE FOR CANCER. AS A RESULT THEY REMOVED 22 LYMPH NODES AND SIX TESTED POSITIVE FOR CANCER WAS DIAGNOSED WITH STAGE III BREAST CANCER. MY SURGEON SUSPECTED THAT MY TUMOR BEEN THERE UNDETECTED BY A 2-D MAMMOGRAM FOR SEVERAL YEARS ALLOWING MY CANCER TO ADVANCE. STAGE III DIAGNOSIS IS ONLY REALITY FULL OF DOCTORS AND SCANS AND TEST. MY TREATMENT WAS EXTENSIVE. I’D 18 CHEMO TREATMENTS TONIGHT SIX WEEKS OF DAILY RADIATION I STILL TAKE SOME PRESCRIPTIONS 12 YEARS LATER. EVEN WITH MY HISTORY [INAUDIBLE] AND WRITTEN ORDER FOR MY SURGEON AND IN COLLEGE AS I WAS TOLD BY MY INSURANCE COMMITTEE THAT 3-D MAMMOGRAM WOULD NOT BE COVERED.MY DOCTOR LEVI 3-D MAMMOGRAM WOULD’VE DETECTED MY CANCER EARLIER HAD BEEN AVAILABLE IN HOUSE FILE 3204 SIMPLY REQUIRES THAT WOMEN LIKE ME WHO ALREADY HAVE BREAST CANCER OR WHO ARE AT HIGHER RISK OF BREAST CANCER HAVE THE CHOICE TO HAVE A 3-D MAMMOGRAM PAID FOR BY THEIR INSURANCE. BECAUSE WOMEN [INAUDIBLE] FOR EARLY DETECTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TO SPEECH EARNERS AND THANK YOU MS. HILL’S. THERE ANYO NE WHO ELSE WISHES TO TESTIFY ON THIS BILL? WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND PROCEED WITH YOUR TESTIMONY.>>TESTIFIER: I’M GALAN PENSION FROM THAT DIRECTIVE THE STATE [INAUDIBLE ] PROGRAM AND BECAUSE WE HAVE A FISCAL NOTE ON THE SPORTS WANT TO BE HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. BE GENEROUS AND THANK YOU APPRECIATED IT MEMBERS; ANY QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE LILLIE>>REPRESENTATIVE LILLIE: THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON. I LOVE YOUR GIVING THE WOMEN THE CHOICE TO SEEK THIS TYPE OF TREATMENT I WOND ER WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS BOARD I LOST MY MOMENT 42 BREAST CANCER AND I OFTEN WONDER IF THIS IS SOMETHING MIGHT’VE HELPED HER WITH THANK YOU AND IT’S IMPORTANT THAT WE OFFER ALL THESE CHECKS AND DIFFERENT THINGS. IF WE CAN CATCH THINGS EARLY -RIGHT NOW REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON IS SUFFER ING WITH NOT CANCER BUT LYME’S DISEASE AND APPARENTLY IF YOU CATCH THAT REALLY EARLY YOU CAN REALLY NIP IT THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON. CAN HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: REPRESENTATIVE DETTMER>>REPRESENTATIVE DETTMER: AGAIN THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FOR. BUT I THINK IS A COMMITTEE WE ALSO UNDERSTAND NOT JUST FEMALES HAVE PROBLEMS WITH BREAST CANCER. I KNOW JUST THIS LAST MONTH I LOST A VERY GOOD FRIEND OF MINE WHO’S BATTLE ABOUT 10 YEARS AND HE FINALLY PASSED AWAY THIS LAST MONTH. SO MEN WILL HAVE THE SAME SITUATION. THANK YOU.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: REPRESENTATIVE OLSON>>REPRESENTATIVE OLSON: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR THIS BILL BEFORE AND I SUPPORTED AGAIN. I WAS WONDERING WHY THIS IN STATE GOVERNMENT FINANCE THEN YOU STEPPED UP TO THE TESTIFIER TELL IN A MADE A LOT MORE SENSE. SO MY QUESTION IS ; JUST JUST A COST TO THE STATE . IF YOU COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT? TO HELP RON THIS OUT?>>TESTIFIER: THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WE EXPECT A LITTLE UNDER $4000 INCREASE COSTS PER YEAR AND THAT IS LARGELY BECAUSE WE EXPECT AN INCREASE THE UTILIZATION OF 3-D MAMMOGRAMS WHICH ARE SLIGHTLY COSTLIER THAN OTHER TYPES OF MAMMOGRAMS.>>REPRESENTATIVE OLSON: THANKS FOR SHARING THAT. I STILL SUPPORT THE BILL. IT DOESN’T CHANGE THAT. THANK YOU.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: YOUR ACCOUNT TO THE SALE OF BINS TO THE STATE IF WE HAD EARLY INTERVENTION LIKE THIS? I DON’T KNOW IF IT’S SOMETHING YOU CAN DO IN A FISCAL NOTE?>>TESTIFIER: FOR THIS PARTICULAR FISCAL NOTE. ADAM CHAIR IT’S A LOT HARDER TO DO THAN TO ESTIMATE THE INCREASE UTILIZATION TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN DOWN THE LINE MANY YEARS DOWN THE LINE. THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY PART OF OUR CALCULATION.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS; MEMBERS? REPRESENTATIVE KUNESH-PODEIN>>REPRESENTATIVE KUNESH-PODEIN: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR. THIS DIGITAL MACHINE;; THIS 3-D-TO ALL OF THE BEST SCREENINGS PLACES ALREADY HAVE ONE OF THESE WERE WITH IT BECOME AN ISSUE OF ANOTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT SCREENING LOCATIONS WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE AND BEAR THE COST?>>TESTIFIER: I KNOW THAT THIS TYPE OF EQUIPMENT INCREASING IN POPULARITY AND SO I WOULD EXPECT THAT MANY PROVIDERS OF THE SERVICE ALREADY TO HAVE THIS EQUIPMENT AND THOSE WHO NOT RIGHT NOW WOULD PROBABLY ACQUIRE IT.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: ALL RIGHT BE REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON CLOSING COMMENTS?>>REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON:–>>CHAIR ANDERSON: OKAY; GOOD. REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON>>REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON: THANK YOU; MDM. CHAIR AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS BILL. I MEAN I DO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU’RE NOT DOING 2-D TEST BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT WERE HAPPENING AND TAKING MULTIPLE SCREENINGS IS THAT OF HAVING ONE HOWEVER; IT IS DIFFICULT TO CALCULATE THAT AND THEN ALSO; ON THE TREATMENT SIDE OF THINGS. IF YOU’RE HAVING LESS INVASIVE TREATMENT AND ARE CATCHING THINGS EARLY CLEARLY WERE GOING TO SAVE SOME COSTS THERE BUT AGAIN HOW DO EQUATE THAT THE SCHOOL NOTES NOT EVEN SURE IF THE AMENDMENT PROBABLY WOULD’VE CHANGED THE FISCAL NOTE AS WELL. WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT IT’S IMPORTANT BUT I DO THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PACKAGE IT SHOULD SAVE LIVES FOR SURE AND ALSO HOPEFULLY REDUCE COST OF TREATMENT AS WELL. WITH THAT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT.>>CHAIR ANDERSON: WITH THAT I RENEW MY MEMBERS THAT HOUSE FILE 3204 AS AMENDED BE REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON HHS FINANCE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY; AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES.] OPPOSED; NAY. YOUR BILL IS ON ITS WAY. THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON. FOLKS WE ONLY HAVE FIVE MINUTES LEFT OF THE COMMITTEE TIME. I DO WANT TO GET A CALL SAYING YOU NEED TO GET OUT OF YOUR. SO WHAT WE WILL DO; WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO RECESS. HOWEVER; I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU SAVE ANY OF THE BILLS THAT WE’VE NOT HEARD YET. JUST PUT THEM BACK INTO YOUR TO SAVE FOLDER. THEN; WE WILL COME BACK AND DO THOSE THIS EVENING AND BY THE TIME WERE ON THE FLOOR I GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT TIME YOU WILL COME BACK SO JUST MAKE SURE YOU’RE PAYING ATTENTION ON THE HOUSE FLOOR. AND I THINK THAT SHOULD COVER IT FOR HOUSEKEEPING. SO WITH THAT FOLKS WE ARE IN RECESS.>>[GAVEL]>>[RECESS]>>

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