The Powell Brothers: Siblings on advising Thatcher and Blair, Brexit and the leaked memos

it can ask you first of all about the the news that broke over the weekend the leak the magnitude of it it's it's it's quite a thing where your first thoughts as you as you heard it chance I thought it was shameful really shameful I did or what the motives for it were whether personal ambition or scoring some political point but we've seen our masters can't rely on their confidential communications being confidential and kept so then we are in a pretty pickle because governments need an honest assessment of from their diplomats of foreign countries and the personalities running them if they can't enjoy that what's the point of a diplomatic service Johnson you worked in the Washington embassy years ago before me he was private secretary ambassador indeed when he did that I was the second under Gardner so I had a lot more lower rank than him at that stage yes it was very enjoyable the he was it was really appalling the leak and what was interesting about it is two things one then it was over very long period of time so it's right back to 2017 through two just after the state visit so it's someone very deliberately taking a series of papers over a very long period of time and then there is certain recipient of it who is a Tory brexit ear type person is interesting and gives you some indication perhaps as a motive the government's been clear to say they do not suspect a third country can you completely banish that idea from your mind well it crossed my mind certainly I first thought this was a sort of WikiLeaks type of thing and maybe involving the Russians but if the government said that they probably have reason to think it in which case they may have a pretty good idea of who the leaker is in my experience I don't know whether Jonathan feels the same leak inquiries a complete waste of time because everyone knows who leaks it but then what can ever prove it Jonathan you think he's got something to do with the current political climate and therefore presumably with people positioning for the transition to a Boris Johnson administration yes maybe a whole series attacks on civil servants on the cabinet secretary on the former negotiator on the EU all of a part by Faraj and people from the brexit side who's in be keen to get rid of these people that's what anchors about what does that tell us about the incoming administration not terribly interested in the way the Constitution works what do you think Johnson well I would take it a rather broader view of it I think it affects first of all ignorant ignorance of the procedures of good governments I think it reflects an obsession with one subject which is characteristic of our politics at the moment which is BRICS it vexes and brexit nothing constructive no well argue and well researched policy is just an obsessive fanaticism about BRICS it which is deeply disturbing because we need government we need good government we need policies and as a member of the House of Lords I've sat there over the last nine months a second this is Nelson a member we have not really had any legislation because the government hasn't had any laws to introduce there is nothing going on government is dead you both worked on transitions Johnson you before when Danny Blair came in and Charles you stayed on a bit to help John take over after Margaret Thatcher left office how does this transition look like it's shaping up we should be at a period of from your memory intense preparation run about now well it's not really quite the same as a general election I would say it's our other different this I mean it is so odd procedure anyway this business of asking 130,000 elderly world Booher or dwelling conservatives who should be Prime Minister so I don't think it will follow wholly the normal procedures I doubt will be the same in spread of consultations about policy and procedures and so on who would normally be clearly there will be discussions for the cabinet secretary I would thought would be less with individual ministries simply because who knows who the future ministers are going to be they may be the same ones we have now in several cases or at least they'll still be Minister as if in a different department so they won't need the degree of indoctrination which a party which has been out of power for say 20 years might might otherwise need but do you see a lot of planning do you sense it you sniff it or do you think it's not like that personally I think all planning is focused on No Deal brexit and probably it has to be what's your impression of water if you're guessing now what a Boris Johnson administration will shape up to be like one permanent secretary said to me the other day had a an air of Lady Jane Grey about it nine days I think that one was what do you think John well I guess fellow-citizens old focus is going to be on a No Deal breakfast and trying to get that so I suppose the pattern will be that if Boris Johnson is the leader he comes in he appoints his cabinet and he immediately embarks on trying to negotiate with EU I assume the EU's not going to want to renegotiate the exit agreement or the backstop he'll never find himself frustrated whatever he can achieve on the future negotiation on the political declaration he'll find himself frustrated on that and then he's going to face a very difficult choice because Parliament is Ginn Stand No Deal brexit so what's he going to do in those circumstances does he call an election what does he actually stand on his head and call a referendum what would you guess I would guess you'd is no point in guessing in borås and he could do anything I mean if you can write two articles about brexit you write two articles and whether to have a referendum or an election and choose one of them Charles we with Jonathan's or projection of what are the likely next steps that I personally think an election is the more likely and the more proper procedure this earns me more is really that we are in a phase of political decay I think the referendum has hijacked our normal constitutional procedures and it's led to this obsessive concern with one subject and that means that it's very difficult for a political party in power to recover from that sort of situation that is why the election is actually the better thing because at least it gives you a fresh start whoever wins it it's a fresh start and therefore a new baseline so I think we're in for a period of muddled confusion and further decline both in our economy and in our standing in the world until these issues are resolved and somebody can take a grip I sense no feeling of leadership anywhere in either of the main political parties already the hope system and that is pretty devastating I mean I work for a prime minister who showed extremely strong sometimes erratic but very strong leadership and so did Johnson for another prime minister who I admire for his leadership I don't sense that anywhere at the moment and you don't think Boris Johnson's going to bring it he says he will he says it he hasn't produced any evidence for it and the shape of policies a few promises to spend evermore money to buy evermore constituencies of voters and get their approval but I didn't sense policies strategies no same for you I think the problem is chell says is the political system is broken moment it's really unfortunate but we've ended up in a situation with no political leadership on either side of the aisle in our political system and people make playing fast and loose of a constitution that isn't written as therefore very subject to being bent and could end up a real cropper so I really think that this is a very difficult and dangerous time and I see no evidence of some political leadership to come through and save it you talk to us about how it'll be difficult to build up British influence again isn't it the case though history teaches us when you have moments like this and the lift crashes down a lot of flaws you actually don't go back up this is a defining shrinking moment well actually no I deeply disagree with you about that which I do believe is that in the 1970s this country was on is back in their three-day weeks and strikes and trade unions running in the country and the economy crashing and going to the IMF and yet by the end of the 1980s Margaret Thatcher had restored not just the country but more importantly our standing in the world I mean as a result of restoring the country she restored our standing and that is the an enormously difficult thing to do and it takes a long time and it requires as we've just been saying leadership so it's doable but it's only doable by people who have the passion for the country the passion for leadership and the idea is even if they're sometimes a bit way out as to how it can be done you're nodding Joe I agree that it can be rebuilt and it does require leadership but I was going to say in addition to what Charles says I do think you need some for your foreign policy and our foreign policy has been based since the Second World War on three originally pillars that the Commonwealth is rather fallen away but on the European pillar the transatlantic pillar and the problem is that we do pull out of the European Union even if we decide to stay in the European you you know European pillar is going to be very very weak one on which to build a foreign policy and unfortunately transatlantic relationships not just because of the recent release of the reclassified comments on Donald Trump but anyway was extremely weak and if we have neither of those pillars now imagine leadership will pull us back up and I would do just one more thing I think there is a third pillar of these days to replace in a way the Commonwealth and that's China and I think will be mad to undermine the relationship we've built up with China of course we have to be straight with them on Hong Kong direct talk straight but basically we need a relationship with China particularly after brexit I mean that will be our big target for trade and if we both leave Europe and abandon a good relationship with China then we really are in trouble when you trying to take a historical perspective on all of this do you think brexit might look more like a blip in the great scheme of things when you look at for instance China's growing power in the world changes to technology all the sort of stuff on his badder artificial intelligence and many other technological changes coming towards us really where will it feature do you think on the on the historical graph well personally I do it won't be this all the first world war the Battle of Waterloo or anything like that which will be taught in history books no I don't think that I think it would be seen as a mother like east of Suez let's take that as an example the idea of scuttling from east of so it's forced on us by a weak economy and weak leadership it'll be seen as a slightly shameful episode in British political and diplomatic history as will the Suez adventure itself of course 15 years before that obviously we never put the troops back in Suez would we ever go back in to the European Union I would think it would be extremely difficult to do so I mean my general principle is life is never try and go back I mean I never wanted to go back into the civil service having abandoned it from for business I mean there might have been opportunities but it seemed to me you once you've done something don't go back in life and I think the same applies to nations you can't go back in quite the same way same question do Johnson the big scheme of historical scheme of things how would you think it will be judged and future generations study this chapter well we haven't actually left yet and I'm still hoping we went so maybe there's a slightly different percentage chance of that do you think now oh I say 50/50 whether we're going to leave or not leave I think it's very very unclear I mean if you did have another referendum the polls at the moment show you would at least have a chance of winning a remain vote in that now as we enter into recession as we're now beginning to do and the impact of that would be even greater I slightly disagree on choices I do think this will be a bigger step than even Suez I think that least as soon as he was talking about but even the suez disaster I think this will be seen as an act of self-inflicted harm of a quite extraordinary nature by a country and something that actually has changed the nature of our policies because what you see now if you look at opinion polls is that people no longer identify political parties in the way that they did you're down to about thirty percent in some opinion polls identifying the political parties and you have 70 percent identifying as remain or leave so it's become a new dividing line in in British politics I think it will be quite an important step both internally and externally in our influence in the world well where do you think it leaves our politics the end of this crisis assuming we can see an end one day well I see it leaving us with a weakened political system and undermined Constitution new parties I'm very skeptical of new parties I've seen I'm being a bit year or two over there Jonathan I have seen at parties come and go they've mostly gone after a short coming period so if you think of the talents of noin Jenkins and his colleagues Shirley Williams as Owen is setting up the original Social Democratic Party and how they were unable in the end to get any purchase I think that might be the same in in the future but I know that Jonathan is more optimistic I'm pretty easy there is scope now in these circumstances for a new political parties to emerge perhaps I'm just too cynical Joe being cast as the wide-eyed idealist which was those lives very long time hasn't lived quite long enough to see the rise of the unionist conservative in unionist party the Liberal Party and the and independent labor party so it does happen it just has quite big gaps between it I think what's interesting in the current circumstances is the people have come loose from their political parties we saw that in the European elections we saw that in the local elections is the highest period of turbulence in terms of the way people vote we've ever experienced while polling has existed and I think the basic coalition's underpin the political parties have broken down so the last election the Conservative Party had more working-class voters in the labour party hat so class is no longer the defining aspect of voting and if voting moves from class to identity as it has in United States for example then you end up with very different political parties now we have a very sticky system with the first-past-the-post so maybe it won't happen but if it's ever going to happen I think now is when it will but we've seen it tried in recent months it didn't even barely take off from the runway a new political that's entirely true that the change you cave I salute their braveness in trying but they made a number of mistakes I think there were reasons that they failed but doesn't mean the idea itself fails that they went early and unprepared they went without having really thought through the consequences they ended up as a one-issue party on brexit and nothing else and they failed to cohere with the other bits in the center you can't have lots of different political parties in the centre they should have cooperated with the Liberals and others so the only space for one force in the center not for lots of them that's how it could happen and you think really might I still think there's a good chance but then I'm always an optimist and we're talking about a general election potentially as Charles was saying not a million miles away I mean if not this year then maybe in the first half of next year it's not unthinkable that creates another whole problem for a new force in British politics or an opportunity what do you think the SDP if the election had been in 1982 as opposed to 1983 SDP was at 50% in 1982 so they could have actually won in those circumstances so the paradox for a new political party it needs to exist not too long before a political election so people lose interest in it we're not too soon so it has time from a fab and that's the lesson of macrons or Marshall as well exactly can I ask you about this because this is a related the related point are we in a populist error or a populist moment Charles is this a new dispensation that's gonna last a long time now I don't think we are you know I do particularly say we've got to be careful not to sound like sort of discontented retired Colonels from Cheltenham about our national future I mean we have our misgivings I suddenly have misgivings about aspects of it but the fact is particularly if you think like a civil servant and then we both be in civil servants yeah yeah your job is to make the best of it and try and help whatever government is in power to overcome the problems even if there are self-inflicted problems and so one has to be try and take a positive view about the future and how we make the best of a post brexit if that's what happens a lot of things one can do whether it's in the area of lowering corporate taxation to make us ever more competitive and challenge the European neighbors on that score whether it's in trying to firm up other relationships as I mentioned the ones with China but not just China Japan and elsewhere in Asia after all that's where the future is if you take a 50 to 100 year vehicle and we should be playing a bigger role than we do in Asia I mean whether it's in the defense area and I think actually the mr. Williamson was quite right to be sending some ships they're not aircraft carriers so we actually have them yet but I mean to have a presence in the area in support of our allies in the area that's the sort of thing you can do and make a mark with so I think I would want to see people take her once this issue is resolved take an optimistic view of what needs to be done and go to it with the will to make the best of it your point on populism is I think it's clear there is a new wave of populism because it's not just in Britain it's in Germany it's in Italy it's in it's in the United States so clearly there is a populist challenge and it's understandable why this has appeared given the stagnant wages of those and the majorities of workforce so expecially understand why it's happened the question was were there any one's going to do something about this and find some practical answers to address those concerns and try and put the country back on a positive direction and take it away from populist light Faraj and it's not gonna happen by itself someone will actually to stand up and do that and that's what I is the political leadership out there to make this happen and not just in this country I mean I think one thing that could have quite an effect was just suppose that against the odds Trump fails to get reelection next year and there was a Democrat administration whether it was led by Biden or senator Harris or whatever that could vary considerably change the calculus I think of many governments I think countries in Europe would be less keen was Trump removed on mrs. lepen or salvini in Italy and and others I think really you could see the reverberations of that reducing populism is partly an imitation of Trump and what must seem to the eyes of populous in Europe Trump success can you honestly expect President Trump to get reelected I think the odds favorite at the moment certainly yes same populism might actually get a bit more wind in it sales in Europe I think he would equally do say yeah but do you think the EU survives in its current form into the medium more distant well I'd be pretty confident it won't advance any further I think it's probably reached its high water mark and if anything will go slightly backwards I don't think is going to fall to pieces no I think it's a great it's over reached in terms of integration already and the difficulty of that president macron is experiencing and pushing forward his ideas on closer economic and financial convergence or evidence that me in the enlarged community that is not simply going to run I mean you've got different views from the former East European former Warsaw Pact countries who don't want to go any further and I mean I hate to say this but it does rather justify a certain speech given by Margaret Thatcher quite a number of years ago which made this point that there's no point in pushing countries to fart of giving up their sovereignty losing their distinctive national characteristics and integrating evermore but do what you can do well together and wings you do better alone do that I think that may well become the pattern of the future to remind me who wrote that speech and I thought I can't remember it must have been a highly intelligent someone senator tells me you you you risk the annoyance of other disciples of Margaret Thatcher by speculating that she would not have backed brexit she would never have backed brexit now aren't you sensible for that first of all she would never have tolerated a referendum she regarded a referendum as the devil's work it was an instrument to tyranny it flew in the face of our constitutional tradition of electing representatives and letting them decide and she would have negotiated much harder in Europe – in the same way she did over our budgetary contribution making the lives of all other European governments miserable for five or six years in order to get enough of our way to enable us to stay in with all sorts of opt-outs and goodness knows what but we would still be inside them you mentioned the crusty old establishment figured that you would not like to be seen as but am I looking at the establishment pair of brothers who managed to between them dominate have a significant role in your probably been more comfortable with British policy over two decades isn't that exactly the sort of thing that people were revolting against when they press the populist button in well whilst Jonathan better answer I would say not entirely because I do think ever of us other ever filled establishment positions I mean the establishment is cabinet secretaries permanent secretaries generals and field marshals voice pillow there Betty Lee Oaks but sometimes rather sort of fortunate Oryx who got themselves into positions perhaps of unusual influence or hesitates to say power but at least influence on on decisions and on how they were taken and how they were articulated so I think in a way we were both outside the establishment despite having started our working knives with in an establishment institution the Foreign Office does that ring a bell do you see yourself as some sort of bohemian bohemian at least I'm wearing a tie most of my life being an irritant and trying to change things for within the system I not many people on the right for example were very happy what we did in Northern Ireland are coming out with a peace agreement and still spend time criticizing or trying to undermine it with things like a backstop so no don't think we would be typical of the establishment the establishment is more problem we face at the moment of what was won on the battlefield on the playing fields of Eton being lost on the playing fields of Eton and that's the real establishment of work not people like us I think you're the outsiders who popped in and then popped out again let the same eye view share with the servants as well white is it civil servants tell me where and what home life was like because people the Powell phenomenon sorry before we get there am i pronouncing the name correctly yours his purposes yes supersedes proper Welsh wait it's a Welsh name which is Apple what was home life like some people might imagine it an extraordinary sort of engine of ambition you were being sort of catapulted out the door to get to the top of the tree what was it like I think we had a look a very conventional upbringing or maybe my view of our father was a senior of Iran Air Force officer who gave us sacrificed everything in here our mother to give us good education and then left us to get on with it and I think both our cases was pleased to see us go into the public service but we had two other brothers who went into business and in many ways probably succeeded more than we did and certainly in terms of income and so we as a family as a whole we were well spread across government my next brother down the number two one the advertising world where he rose to great heights running England's second biggest agency the other one in the technology world where he ended up running a lot of American technology companies so I wouldn't like to say we were just obsessed with power or civil service influence and rank and that's what they know I think we were just given a good education until now it's over to you you must have been asked this Jonathan over the years particularly as you were following 14 years behind 16 16 I was 78 yesterday happy happy belated happy birthday it was at a laboratory of ambition human growth growing up in it does seen all that we both ended up at the top of the government tree now just a coincidence that there are it's very conventional family my parents our parents were both swing voters of 1845 voted the Labour Party for Tory's world Charles was working the Thatcher with voting for labour while I was working with Tony Blair thank you politically it wasn't actually particularly charged politically as I sold at all it was a much more conventional amount and then the different directions your politics go it well what do you think it says that I have politics I mean no in order to seem to sort of sanctimonious but I never got involved directly in politics not wanted to I felt thankful but I did was working for the government was independent in the sense I mean I worked for labor governments in the Foreign Office and I worked nationally for the conservative Prime Minister and rather closely for a long time but I didn't feel that I was a party supporter particularly I thought I was a government but I think I can detect a different political outlook course you are one of the most perceptive fanatical commentators a whole whole of Westminster Kerry I knew knew wouldn't like me to say that but I yeah all right I am picking up traces of a different politics in maybe slightly Justin you think he'll some EEOC's yes I'm sure there is a quite a wide gap between Jonathan could have served Margaret Thatcher I actually think he could have yes I reserve the third secretary and the Foreign Office working on South Africa I would be a prime minister at a higher level you could have done that I'm not sure I could've done the job that Charles did but I'm sure I could have worked somewhere in this whole service at that period in the same way that people who manage to work on the trays a man no doubt will work under Boris Johnson someone suggested to me the question who's winning between the two of you know maybe the fall I don't think I don't regard myself as in any sort of competition certainly no longer I'm more interested in the next generation and my generation I think we've both been very lucky very fortunate from having very exciting interesting careers I hope on the whole we've done good I think I would certainly say we've tried to he had a head start otherwise I don't want and so it sounds a bit so self-satisfied and smart I know but I'm you know I know that we've ever consciously miss you whatever power influence we had or have wanted to talk to I had Macbeth had the fortune really of working for prime ministers who in their time were highly successful basically is still regarded as having been successful and I think history will treat them as probably the only two Prime Minister's worth mentioning between Atlee and some point in the future it could be said couldn't it that the biggest figure on the political stage in Britain since either of your two bosses the most influential figure is Nigel Faraj well the destructive sense rather than the positive sense yes I mean you think it says impact impact in terms of bringing well he hasn't actually ever won a seat in parliament he has never managed to get into government thank God but he has managed to change politics in a particular direction or to ride a change that was happening in politics and and impersonate it but the trouble of these populist is that they aren't actually very authentic politicians there are people who are pretending to be things just as in Trump you have a billionaire pretending to be a populist to some sizes of the blue-collar workers the United States that synthetic populism will wear out fairly quickly but he's had an impact and imagine that but in the end of the day you're if you're just a single subject person who are not really effective but it's not come the other subjects off the block well he did anything about them I mean he just said he's just got this single-minded obsession with brexit and it's shared by some members of the Conservative Party I mean build cash for instance just as doesn't sort of spend five minutes without thinking about bricks it but you can't run the country and really influence a country's future just on that alone you wouldn't have wind have had that success if it hadn't been involving people making mistakes with David Cameron hadn't called that referendum at that stage and given him the opportunity he'd have carried on being in the fruit and not just all but we're seeing the collapse of the to some people's eyes the center-left in this country the radicalization of the right Nigel Farrar is the biggest impact on British politics is there any sense in which either of the bosses that you worked for bears some of the responsibility for that I would say definitely not and the case of the one I did I think never have enabled Nigel for hours to emerge he was because she would have dominated yes but she would not have worshipped him I'm afraid because she maybe she's seen him sometime I'm sorry maybe she fed it somehow I didn't think so I don't think so she took a very rational view on Europe she wanted to stay Britain to be in it and if you read what she said in various speeches she always said we should remain part of Europe or seek to change it from within that was a sensible way to proceed he just wants us to pull out and just she always condemned people who walked away from issues and problems she thought the Soviet Union was wrong to walk out of the Security Council in the 1940s in its own interests she thought the goal was wrong too walked out of NATO at the time she believed for families who needed to be part of a institution particularly in your immediate area and play a part of it try and change it shape it more in your own direction and for a while she did for heaven's sake when what was the most constructive thing ever done in Europe frankly since it was formed in 1957 it was a single market that's why it's so shameful that we're leaving it now under the influence of so many of her disciples a number of her so-called disciples would Tony Blair take would you be inclined to Park any of theirs responsibility for the current state of the center-left and Tony Blair would he in a self-flagellating mode perhaps take on some of the responsibility for them I mean only in the sense that all history is linked and so what that's gone before it tends to have an influence on what happens later but certainly not I didn't get any way you could be seen as the forerunner of Farraj or anything like that so did the steps we take on Europe mean that Europe didn't become as popular as we would have liked in in the UK yes possibly it did maybe we should have done more to try and sell Europe to Britain rather than selling Britain to Europe which where we were trying to actually get a leadership role for Britain inside the EU maybe we should have focused on the domestic so sure plenty of mistakes were made we're to try and directly link that it's not the same as the way the mr. David Cameron called a referendum when he didn't need to on an issue in which people didn't really vote on the issue you're aiming at the wrong the wrong target carry him as a target shouldn't be people who did distress on readership it should be those who says he did it move to display leadership who should be held accountable for what's going on since is this a frequent occurrence the two of you sitting together during the guard or is it or not in front of a television camera that's not fairly infrequent people wander the location of course we have conversations about visitors jalsa is not usually the television camera well thank you for sitting in front of this one Charles pol Jonathan Powell thank you very much for time you

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  1. Former PM Blair IS to blame!
    He should have followed France and Germany and NOT allowed East Europeans to move to, live, work in The UK until 2011.

  2. Well, we've all seen how a broader consultation worked out! , and now it's time to get on with Brexit.

  3. In the three years after the referendum, the Labour Government introduced dozens of laws, aiming to make Britain a better place. One example is the Race Relations Act 1977. Committing to membership of the European Community impeded our sovereign politics not in the least. In the equivalent time after that unnecessary 2016 re- run, Parliament has been stalled. Even though it still costs taxpayers half a billion quid a year. There's the true impact of the Europhobia.

  4. It just goes to show that the government isn't run by the poster child, but the brainy geniuses behind the scenes. Don't bully geeks, kids, they'll be in charge and you'll never know it!

  5. I love the chemistry between these three gentlemen. The interview was really pleasurable to watch, and interesting to boot!

  6. 12:20 It doesn't have too, if you take this setback as an opportunity for reform, go a single transferable vote system for you MPs for an example, like Australia has (if you swing that right you may even be able to get them as a partner in trying to strengthen the commonwealth). Then You may come out of this stronger then well, not ever before but stronger than you have been since the loss of the empire.

  7. 9:40 Well Is't that ironic, you plan to come crawling back to the feet of the dragon throne less than 200 years after essentially demolishing their thousand year empire. Turns out they were right after all doesn't it, you were only the last in the line of barbarian conquerors who for a short time inconvenienced the middle kingdom before ending up as a client state.

  8. Doesn't the guy on the right feel a bit like Sir Humphrey… in a good way I mean.
    Edit they really are Humphrey and Bernard.

  9. Mr Powell must never have listened to Margaret Thatcher’s speeches from America where she said they’re wanting to become a nation with their own army and dismantle USA power and how the EU must be stopped. That sounds like someone who was a) smart and b) would’ve backed Brexit.

  10. The grey haired dude is delusional about China, Hong Kong, and Britain's military power in Asia this coming century.

    China is going to follow America in reneging its word the more powerful it becomes. They are nolonger interested in the Hong Kong deal signed in the 80s – the two state system is coming to an end.

  11. I am utterly disgusted. Trump is throwing kids in concentration camps but we should just keep appeasing him, because of brexit? Bullshit. The man spoke the truth.

  12. Hello? An honest Ambassador's assessment doesn't need to be insulting. Does it? That's was question for Remainer policy architects. No, unless it is designed to be used for political purposes. Cut the BS. This was designed to damage UK/Us relationship. This is desperate. This is absolutely Inept. Is it British? Is it what you have become?

  13. I don’t think that the UK ambassador to the US is shameful at all. The man has spoken to the truth and in fact what the world has been saying behind closed doors anyways. He just happened to get caught. I think he should be applauded for saying it as it is.

  14. Jonathon Powell talking about "the constitution and good government"what a joke. I would point to the Blair Powell on the run letters to the IRA. Appeasement, while allowing police and military be pilloried and permit history to be rewritten according to the Sien Fien demands. Iraq and Blair weapons of mass destruction allowing the destruction of a country while watching ancient Christian communities being destroyed. etc. These two show what is wrong with politics in the UK, unelected, pompous individuals who are so out of touch with what is happening in the ground.

  15. So basically Cameron was an idiot for holding a half baked referendum with wholly incomplete information allowing fruit cake populists take over the shop. As I thought myself . .

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