Transhumanism: The Race to Reverse Aging | Eve Herold


Coast to Coast AM from Nashville Tennessee this is
mysterious matters for those who dare to think and ladies and gentlemen today we
have on Eve Harold. Eve is currently a science writer specializing in issues
at the intersection of science and society and the past Eve has been the
director of public affairs for the American Psychiatric Association and the
director of public policy research and education for the genetics policy
institute now folks if you were given the opportunity to extend your life for
say a hundred years maybe more would you what if by signing up for such
procedures you are able to reverse aging and gain a network of intelligence
derived from nanotechnology well today we are going to touch on those topics
and so much more if after listening to this program you are interested in
learning more about eve Harold learning more about the topic does have a very
fascinating book out titled beyond human and I’ll cutting-edge science is
extending our lives and you can find that by going to mysterious matters.com
/ beyond human and speaking of mysterious matters.com if you haven’t
checked out the website lately please take a look at the website I’ve
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going to go into it and a few things are going to have to be changed but for the
most part it really looks nice now i know a lot of you may be wondering where
I’ve been why there hasn’t been a show lately well
it’s a matter of different things really in August fourth we found out that
morning my dogs star had cancer she hadn’t been sick that long at all really and once we found out she was sick we
took it to the doctor and then a week later they wanted us to bring her back
for a cat scan is what we did in August the fourth Thursday August the fourth we
took her in for the cat scan came back and we learned that she had an advanced
stage of cancer had spread throughout her body the doctor wasn’t able to tell us how
much time she actually had left he recommended that we could put her down
or we could have him give us some medicine to try and see if that would
help her deal with the pain help her get a little bit better to extend her life
just a little bit longer and that’s the route we decided we would go with to see
if we could extend your life a little bit longer i mean it’s hard to put down
a loved one . and star is very much a family member i know some of you may not
understand that but stars as much a family member as a cousin you know she
she really didn’t mean that much to me to my brother to my mother to my dad and
but she died that night she died at 8pm when August the fourth the very next day
on august the field to drill down to my parents house and I dug a grave for my
brother and I we dug a grave for star what should have only taken a couple of
hours took eight nine hours because of the fact that here in Tennessee we have
rocks everywhere if you start digging in the ground you’re going to hit rocks
regardless of where you are and in that was the case we just hit rock after rock
after rock and on top of that it was a hot summer day but we did it it was the
last thing we could do for her so we did that the ladies and gentlemen let’s get
to our guests their guests again is Eve Harold be welcome to the show thank you so much it’s great to have you
here with us and I’ve been reading your book it’s a fascinating read the reason
why I want to have you on the show today is to discuss the book but the main
reason is because I’ve had personal experiences with individuals who have
had had a medical issues such as diabetes
the kidneys have failed such as my father who in 2008 both of his kidneys
failed on him he died three times on my flight another couple of times in the
hospital and he was on dialysis for six-and-a-half years we didn’t know at
that time but the life expectancy is between five and ten years yes had artificial kidney has been a
available to him he could have still been alive today that’s definitely possible and damn you
know dialysis isn’t really a perfect to answer either because the dialysis
machine doesn’t really do all of the functions that a kid me would do but
there are artificial kidneys and development now particularly out in at
the University of California San Francisco that will perform anymore the
food kidney functions than dialysis doesn’t would actually give patients a
better quality of life I don’t think living with die out dialysis is really a
perfect answer it was that your father’s experience yeah i mean he reached he started to
regain his strength afterwards but it always drained him dialysis always
drained him he was going three times a week eventually went down to twice a week he
would regain his strength but every time you went to dialysis and it’s the case
for everybody that does that they lose their strength and I guess they’re
always cold because my dad was always cold even in 70 degrees 75 degree
temperatures he was always code well yeah the people that I talk to who
were suffering from kidney disease when I was researching this book said that
after a day on dialysis all they could do with go home and crawl into bed and
stay there for about 24 hours and then after that they would start to feel
better the effects of the dialysis would kick in and they would feel better but
then over time over a matter of days toxins would continue to build up in the
body and then you would have all of those side effects and feel sick until
your next dialysis you know session so it you know having an
artificial kidney would be so much better for these people in terms of just
having continuity of the filtering of the poisons in the blood so that they
don’t build up in the blood and the actual kidney that I write about in the
book is a combination of several technologies and includes a course
obviously wireless computing nanotechnology a cell technology
incorporates an actual cells kidney cells that are going from the patient’s
own body so that they can’t be rejected and you put all those things together
and you have a very very powerful technology that would be not a bridge to
transplant in other words something that would kind of keep people alive until
the biological organisms along but an actual permanent implant that they would
keep for you know we don’t know how long but potentially for a good long time and
then as the technology gets improved upon obviously you would every so often you
would want to go in and maybe replace the unit and and upgrade the technology
but I i think this is in the works this axis this is called the kidney project
and it’s going to be going into clinical trials trials in 2017 that’s great it’s
already shown proof of principle and animals so we know there’s a lot of Hope
riding on this particular unit but there’s a lot of others going onto in
the US and in and in America some of them involve a wearing a device on our
belt that’s not ideal because you will still need to have some kind of
connection to the blood system so you would have some kind of open incision on
our honor ongoing basis to get the blood you know filtering through this device
so that’s not a perfect too you know the answer to the problem but i
think that we even that would be better than dialysis just because it’s
continuous filtration you know and that would definitely be better than the
current solution which is uh someone donating a kidney and i believe the
hospital tell my father that he would have to get a replacement every 10 or 15
years because they won’t last much longer than that that’s right and not many people know
that uh no organ transplant is permanent and and that goes for hearts and lungs
and and all the organs that get transplanted what happens is that you’re
suppressing the body’s immune system for years and years to so that it won’t
reject the organ but sooner or later at some point down the line your body is going to reject that Oregon
and when that becomes overwhelming then you either have to get another
biological organ which is hard to get hard to find or you get an artificial
organ or or you know you just simply don’t get treatment so now that
transplants don’t last forever unfortunately they they don’t hmm now you mentioned possibly wearing a
device on a belt to help with the Dallas’s treatment or the artificial
kidney and along similar lines is that a lot of people depend on similar types of
devices such as continuous glucose meters and summon pumps from adults two
children they depend on these every single day just to be able to live so it
would be great it would be awesome ill somehow one day
with they would come out with an artificial pancreas or something along
those lines to help these individuals from adults two children to no longer be
tied down to these devices yeah yeah and I know that people who
have insulin time to do still have highs and lows in their blood yes and I just
because the the pump can’t really react as quickly as a human pancreas would
your blood sugar can shoot up or cry ash and very very quickly and uh and and
you know and cause you all kinds of terrible symptoms there is an artificial can’t pancreas
and development though that would actually read your your blood sugar
readings much more quickly and react more quickly you know an artificial
pancreas is something that obviously would help just thousands of people if
not millions of people and the technology is coming along we’re not
quite there we have a permanently implantable artificial pancreas but as
the technologies that support these type of instruments are maturing and coming
together and converging were probably maybe I don’t know maybe 20 years or so
away from having a permanently implantable artificial pancreas that
will be close to the function of an actual pancreas and certainly extend
life yes speaking of his standing lives at
the opening of your book I have it in front of me I have to look at it but I
know you mentioned something about in the need in the future out know how near
of a future that we could potentially live to be $TIME to 300 years old and
you speak about that because you have spoken to the leading edge scientists
medical its purchase cetera what are we looking at as far as
extending our lives in the next 50 years what’s available to us in the next 50
years well I think that definitely there are a lot of people alive today who are
going to see their lifespan increased beyond anything that they have ever
anticipated I think this is coming more sooner
rather than later and i say that because there are drugs in it in development
right now that have been shown to increase the lifespan there’s a drug
called rapamycin gotten a good bit of publicity rapamycin has been shown to Stan life and mice by up to twenty
percent now I wrote about this in my book and I thought it was a very
exciting discovery but just last week there was a study that came out another
mouse study using rapamycin and giving it to the mice when their middle age my
say the equivalent of a 55 60 year old human and giving it to them for a
limited amount of time something like 90 days and then stopping the rapamycin and
the drug was sound to actually extend the mouth life stand by forty percent so
that’s actually you know I mean inhuman that would be something like maybe 35
years of life extension so i think that there will be things along the way that
will help us to stay younger not to age as aggressively as perhaps we do today
and that one of these developments will build on another and then we will many
of the people alive today will reach the point where we have really radical life
extension through technologies such as nanomedicine mhm in the near future
would we be able to utilize stem cells with the nanotechnology as in using
nanotechnology to drive stem cells or whatever into the human body and allow
something to grow like inserted into or whatever into the kidneys and regrow
kidneys something like that well I think that’s one of the most
exciting areas of science right now and yeah certain tissues have already been
grown in the lab using stem cells and whole bladders have been grown that
function that have been transplanted into animals that actually do what
they’re supposed to do I think that this is a really exciting area stem cells are
going to be combined with other technologies such as the artificial
kidney where you there are certain things that a human cells do better than
anything that we can design at this point so by incorporating those cells
into other technologies and combining them in the right way might potentially do that but there’s
also the hope that in the future we’ll be able to grow more organs using stem
cells that are taken from the patient’s body and the reason why this is so
exciting is not not only because you have a brand-new functioning organ but
those cells would be perfectly genetically match to the patient and
cannot be rejected so you would have if you if you grew your an organ from your
own self that actually would be a permanent implant mm you know that’s take me back to a
movie I wants all about what was it called the island i believe it was of
his time around because something is dr. marell it was something like that it was
an island the medical facility that was growing clones of rich human beings
anytime the rich beings became ill like cancer or anything else they would come
to claim their clone that they would take the brain out the clown replace
practically killed that clone and replace the brain so it’s not going to
be exactly like that but we will be growing a farm of body parts that’s
almost what it sounds like right well i think that you know first of all you’re
not going to grow another human being because if you clone a human being and
any and closer all they are simply is they’re twins they’re identical twins so
we already have clones in nature if you had an adult person and you cloned their
DNA to create another whole person that person would start at the embryo stage
so you would have to wait for that person to grow up and mature and aside
from the social and legal problems you would have with actually killing
somebody you know to harvest their organs I think what’s more realistic is that what we’ll be doing is
that taking self from the person and just taking say for example a kidney
stem cells or new neural stem cells and growing them in the web to the size and
functionality that you want them to be at the time of transplant and then
transplanting those into the person I don’t think this is anything i don’t
think anybody’s working on actually cloning human beings at this point but I
mean the technology is very promising yes let’s hope not at least that would
be terrifying well it would be terrifying and it’s not
something that a we want to do i mean i think most people if you ask them would
you like to be cloned i don’t think most people would say Amen I don’t think I
want another person you know exactly like me walking around sometimes on a
busy work day i wish i had a cologne but I i think what we’re looking at his
organs tissues and body parts which would be you know genetically matched
and outperform any kind of transplant would we be doing that at the very
beginning stages of life such as afterbirth taking stem cells from the
umbilical cord or would we start when the person is 10 years or 15 years of
age to start growing new body parts for them in case they need it well you know people actually started
saving their child umbilical cord blood quite a few years ago I i would say
around the mid-2000s a lot of people started to save those that frees
and-and-and bank the umbilical cord blood of their children and I think that
was a really good move and I certainly if I were having a baby in this day and
age I would do that you know there’s different sources of stem cells and they
may have different potential so their stem cells that are you know pluripotent
meaning that they can become any cell type of the human body and so far we’ve
found them in embryonic stem cells that’s not the same thing as umbilical
cord stem cells the umbilical cord stem cells may not have a complete
pluripotency where they can become any cell type in the human body but through
the right kind of cell cultures and the right kind of coaxing we may be able to
turn them into a very large array of different types of stem cells and use
those at whether it’s to grow you know tissue whether it’s to grow new heart
tissue when somebody has a damaged heart or to grow new neural tissue if someone
has brain damage or are some kind of neurodegenerative disease those cells
has our are they they obviously have a lot of versatility we don’t know how far
we can go with adult stem cells but it’s been very very promising and a I mean
sat sell the adults at self has been turned into a very versatile multipotent
stem cell so i think if we can just learn how to work with these cells
correctly that there there’s a tremendous amount of potential there mhm speaking of fat cells i remember in
your book you mentioned how scientists have pinpointed the fat gene and have
been able to turn it off in mice but should we go there for a human being
should we be manipulating a gene that tells us whether we’re dormant in life
indulging our appetite little bit too much or maybe that we have serious
health issue should be be turning out something that might be beneficial to us
to realize something’s wrong well that’s a good point and and I think
that we need to be cautious going forward and whether or not we actually
switch on or off jeans and human beings but you raise an interesting point and
that’s that there’s a lot of research going on in animals that don’t age
either don’t age or age very very slowly and the goal behind this kind of
research is that eventually at some point scientists will be able to isolate
little snippets of DNA is that code for aging
say for example more for obesity for example and then they may be able to
take these animals snippets of DNA and insert them into human cells so that day
but will become incorporated into the human genome into the individuals genome
and then be able to treat aging that way that that’s definitely a possibility
it’s called data mining and you know nature data mining and like I said I
mean there’s a lot of species out there not all of them aged the way we do
there’s a species of a aquatic creature called a Hydra that doesn’t age at all
there’s an octopus it actually is able to revert to an infantile state well
over and over ahead and mature and grow and become an adult and then revert
again and again and again and it basically is immortal until it’s killed
by some type of predator our accident so you know this is exciting and I think
it’s going to go forward and I I think we need to be careful obviously you know when you’re changing
the genome you may be affecting one thing that you’re not intending to
effect and I and I think we have to be very careful about that but I think
there’s a lot of potential there you know what i would like to see
eventually happen is for them to do something to our genetics to create a
Benjamin Button human being we are born hold and get younger wouldn’t that be great it won’t be until
you get to the baby stage and who’s going to take care of you well that’s the thing it has to fix it
so that you only went back to the age of 18 and then start the process over again
that would be awesome yeah but now with nature data mining up
and this is gonna be a huge ethical issue religious issue was the
possibility that scientists could one day create a mythological creature
half-human half-beast at very unlikely just because it you know the genomes of the various
species are very very different no I don’t know that that’s possible
however you know it is possible and legal to create a time areas in the lab
so when you’re talking you know very tiny species species that might be a
well for example you can you can take genes from a jellyfish and transplant
them into a dog or a cat and they will glow in the dark so the genes that code
that allow jellyfish the glow-in-the-dark can be isolated in and
then inserted into other animals that will then show that trait I don’t think
you could cross a jellyfish with a cat because the two species are so radically
different and you know I mean I think nature actually does have some limit i
think we can do some limited work in this area i’m not sure you can actually
cross a man in a sheet and come up with the dr. murrow’s island scenario you
know where you have like a 50-50 type of creature darkness I was hoping to become
spider-man yeah well you might be able to spin webs
I mean that might be possible haven’t really looked into that one well I’m not sure I’d like where it was
going to come out of it was gonna come out my hands would be one thing but
however that comes out spotter so yeah alright with the future technologies for
spending beyond human how would that affect individuals with Alta Alzheimer’s
disease well and you know that that’s a big
issue to consider when you talk about life extension and I think no one would
want to have radical life extension and and have alzheimer’s disease so there is
work going on no that’s really a very different and you know we’ve had drugs
in the past that kind of work for a period of time on Alzheimer’s then they stop working so we don’t
really have any super effective therapy to present or stop or cure Alzheimer’s
but I interview the doctor who is working on something called deep brain
stimulation and this is something that people with epilepsy and Parkinson’s
have been getting for years and years I’m it entails it’s slightly invasive
and entails and inserting a tiny tiny little wire into a certain part of the
brain and then sending a mild electrical pulses through that wire to stimulate
that part of the brain a special part of the brain that’s worked very very well
in people with epilepsy and Parkinson’s help to reduce trimmers and things along
that nation what it says it stimulate certain neurons and you have your
neurons that have specialized purposes so for example in a Parkinson’s patient
what they’re missing is the neurons neuronal activity that creates the near
the neurotransmitters dopamine so if you can if you can somehow stimulate those
cells the cells that are underperforming and get them to to secrete dopamine and
to you know pass it on to others to other brain cells then you really have
made a big you know improvement and functionality now what the doctor that I interviewed
is doing is he’s doing the same sort of thing with Alzheimer’s patients so he’s
inserting he’s identified a part of the brain that is a responsible for things
like judgment and decision-making the things that deteriorated in very early
on in alzheimer’s disease and so he’s putting these little leads in and
sending very mild to make electrical pulses through them to see if this will
actually take the parts of the brain that are still working and protect them
and keep them functioning longer now you know this is an experimental Tate stages
is being done in humans I you know my impression from talking to
him is that there is a good deal of promise from this research but it’s
still very early so we don’t know if that’s going to pan out but we do know
that the brain is very plastic so the brain can rewire itself and if you
continually stimulate certain parts of the brain the brain will respond by
creating we use cells by creating new connections and like creating euro
transmitters so theoretically i think it’s on solid ground but we’ll see how
it pans out into a huge issue it is it is and I know a lot of people became
more aware of it when I Michael J thoughts came out saying that he had
Parkinson’s disease and yeah I guess he’s done a lot of work to bring that
bring this issue to the forefront and trying get something done he has and
he’s a promoter of stem cell research because that’s another promising area
for brain diseases you know it neurons have been grown in the lab I mean we
know that we can do that we know that you can take neuron neurons that were
grown from stem cells in the lab and transplant them into animals brains and
that those neurons will sprout connections and kind of wire themselves
into the neural circuitry and function with the as though they were just you
know a natural part of the brain mhm when we speak of stem cells years
ago many years ago I guess 2006 or so what was it 10 years ago I think maybe
he wrote a book called stem cell wars is there still wore when it comes to stem
cells from religious groups or anybody else well you know i’m not as
well versed in that field as I used to be just because I’ve gone on and
immersed myself in other areas so on but i can tell you that the restrictions on
research were lifted when president obama came into office so at the time
that book was written you had very very limited federal funding for embryonic
stem cell research and that has lifted so you know i think it’s it’s a much
better research environment now than you had ten years ago in that field I’m a Southern Baptist i was born and
raised in Southern Baptist but I kind of move myself away from it a little bit
because you have to have an open mind to do these types of shows etc and I think
the reason for stem cell wars as you put it was that there was a huge
misconception on where these stem cells were coming from and if babies were
going to be killed for it or he said I mean that’s the stuff i was hearing from
my mother and other people that on you in the South just heat misconception well there was a lot of misinformation
that was out there you know and and what happened is the issue got co-opted by
the anti-abortion movement and and there was a message that was being you know
repeated over and over that he had to destroy see this is to get stem cells
and you had to you know you know stem cell research was somehow predicated on
abortion and the reality is that i mean you could never have another abortion
and still embryonic stem cell research would still go forward the reason that
it’s still it still goes forward is because the cells that the pluripotent
cells that I talked about actually are taken from very very early stage embryos so you’re talking a fertilized egg and
the very first few days and of cellular division and these are obtained from IDF
clinics so IVF clinics as you probably know when when people go through
fertility a treatment they create many more
embryos then the person will ever implant so usually what happens is that
the couple will implant a certain number of embryos and when they have the number
of children that they want the leftover embryos so to speak are disposed of and
so you know there was a lot of push in the scientific community to say instead
of disposing of these embryos why don’t we use them for stem cell research and
that’s kind of a connection to birth you may or may not be in favor of using
those embryos for research but it is not something that you you would predicated
on abortion if you if you had a you know say a three-month-old fetus they
wouldn’t have pluripotent stem cells do it it’s p you’re gone beyond that stage
so there was a lot of misunderstanding and a lot of confusion about the topic
for quite a while yes even if you were at a stage in your
life where you had the ability to enhance yourself to live another hundred
200 300 years what would you do because i know it’s an ethical issue it’s a
issue that each individual have to discuss with their family members but
what would you do well I what I would do if the technology
were their mom is I I would opt for a nanotechnology treatment that’s when
you’re talking really advanced technology and it’s actually a lot more
simple than it sounds at nanotechnology is using very very
tiny I mean infinitesimally tiny uh machines robots for example that are
created out of polymers and other artificial materials and is these these
are actually on the atomic level so we’re even going below the molecular
level on the atomic level these little BOTS the plan the series that they can be released into the
bloodstream they will contain a perfect roadmap so to speak of your DNA a
perfect plan of your DNA they will go in they will enter cells and they’ll find
instances of broken DNA as you know places where genetic mistakes have been
made these are the things that contribute to aging and they would
rebuild yourselves from the inside out and they would do this throughout your
whole body they were destroyed they would they would do repair cells then
they would repair organs and they would repair your whole body so i think the
life-extension really only becomes meaningful when you can arrest the aging
process I need to live a very long time in a
very advanced stage of aging I don’t think anybody would choose that to me it
all depends on how far the science gets in my lifetime but i would live i would
i would like to stay younger and live a considerably longer than the lifespan I
feel like I have a lot of things I’d like to do a lot of things on my bucket
list that that I could do if I could just possibly live a few more decades so
you know I i think it’s it all depends on how things pan out in the next 20-30
years mhm you know I used to sell would love
to be to live to be 200 years of age but but as I progress i lost my father in
2015 as a progress and I lose more people that I’ve loved i’m not sure that
I want to be 200 years removed from the last time I saw somebody that loved you
know what I mean absolutely do and I think a lot of people would feel that
way people have lost spouses who say well no you know I i would want to be
with my spouse I don’t want to live another 60 years without him or her you
know I mean I think that’s a valid choice it should be available to anybody
who wants to take it and one of the things that are write about in my book
that was very important to me is that people should always have the
right to decide to reject enhancement so or life extension and there should be no
stigma attached to that I think there’s a whole number of valid reasons why
people would want to do that on the other hand I think people should be
allowed to embrace it I don’t think I think what we need is
something that the scandinavian philosopher anderss and bird calls morphological
freedom so morphological freedom is the freedom to do to your body or change
your body in any way that you choose so I think if we protect that ability
for people on either side and all sides of this issue will be on safe ground mhm ill or when we as a society decided
to take this path down the enhancement of humanity would we not be removing an
aspect of humanity from the homo sapien species well we might be we don’t know because
we haven’t done it yet but uh certainly theoretically that’s possible and and I
think that takes us in the direction of what i called transhumanism
transhumanism used to be kind of a out there kind of crazy you know
counterculture kind of the theory that people would actually change themselves
to the point what we were no longer be homo sapiens however I think conventional medicine
conventional research is taking us in the direction that we may very well
change the whole species and I and I think what we’ve seen that up until this
point as amazing as it is is going to just increase and you know exponentially
so as computers get stronger and you know science gets better and people get
smarter in terms of how you know they’re the research that they’ve been able to
you know to build upon one step building on another I think there is a point where we might
actually become transhuman and should we really you know should we embrace that
that’s another question and I think we need to have that conversation we should
be having that conversation now because we actually do have treatments that are
people aren’t told at the time that they received for example a you know an
artificial hard or even a cardiac defibrillator this is going to greatly
extend your life it’s also going to greatly complicate your dying process
there are other side of it that were that are simply not in the public eye
that are not really being discussed as people embrace more and more of these
technologies so you know I I really think we need to be having a public
discourse i wish the mainstream media covered these types of issues more often
because people do need to know your doctors aren’t telling you everything
that you need to know they may not understand it themselves but there’s
research out there and there’s people who study these issues and and a lot of
these issues have been identified and isolated and I think that we need to be
having a conversation about it mhm what do you think the mental
capacity or the let’s see here well what the mental state would be of
somebody who decided to become a transhuman because i know at some point
or another you were working for the American Psychiatric Association us so
what do you think the mental state would be of someone who might have put
themselves into a scientific study to replace their heart their lungs is
cetera with mechanical or artificial organs did you do you think their mental
state would change that they might not feel that they are human anymore what well i think that uh it strikes at the
heart of how we define a human being you know for example the traditional
ways of defining a human being number one having a human genome has been one
of the touchstones of how we define human but if we were for example to take
snippets of DNA from other species to retard aging or cure disease then the
genome isn’t a hundred percent human that’s not something that we really
talked about but I think it’s these technologies mature and as more and more
people adopt them we are going to need to start thinking about what is it that
defines a human being and if I have these technologies will at some point
well I become more machine than human well I i think that it’s possible that
some people at some point will the question is will they see themselves
differently will other people see them differently
you know I i wrote about a case of a woman who did receive an artificial
heart for a number of months and this heart was a being used as a bridge to
transplant so it wasn’t a permanent implant but then she had a device
implanted in her chest and then she had to have a you know a hose basically
connected to an open wound in her body that went to a driver that she wore in a
backpack this machine made a constant sound I mean you could hear the sound of
it swishing it sounded like a heartbeat and
it made various noises that other people sound disturbing and as you said it did
create some awkward social situations and you know not everybody was willing
to accept that without being a little bit too freaked out by it so yeah I
think those are important issues and you bring up the issue of mental health
because that’s another really super important issue here for going to extend
life i don’t think a person who has severe depression for example would
necessarily want to live another hundred years so again we need to work on
cheering and helping and treating and managing some of these illnesses to make
radical life extension meaningful mmm yes over the next several years 10 15
whatever years is going to be how are we going to make sure that these
necessities these needed artificial organs medicines that they are going to
be affordable to individuals when in today’s age I mean just recently we’ve
heard where company CEOs are increasing medications and glucose strips he said
over four hundred percent that they’re putting profits over helping other
people so how are we going to combat that and make sure that these needed
items are going to get into the hands of people who need them well you know we need to keep in mind
that as since the beginning of medicine people who have money have always been
the first one to receive whatever innovation was coming along and then
over time they slowly trickle down to the rest of the masses but there’s
already an enormous tension in our medical system that has to do with
disparities and we don’t have and in this country at least we don’t have
universal coverage so here we do have a problem and I think that it is going to
be something that’s gonna it in in entail re-examining our medical system
and re-examining the way we distributed however if we have universal access is
Canada and Britain in a lot of other countries have and these technologies
are covered by universal healthcare then you won’t have the disparity problem so
much but it’s a huge problem in this country and I think that’s something
that we need to we need to evaluate ways and you know how how we get all of the
people who need medical care insured for one thing and how we get insurance
companies and drug companies and the purveyors of medicine to to operate on a
fair basis and not two gals people who who desperately need their treatments so
it is a big problem and I don’t know what the answer is I honestly don’t know
what the short-term Andrews but i do think looking forward maybe decades from
now that this this type of in technology is going to put pressure on the system
like never before if you have some people who can live to
be a hundred and sixty years old and other people are dying at the age of 75
I think that’s going to put tremendous pressure on the system yes and animal and part of the solution
maybe political union may be political cell i don’t know what the answer is but
i think that there will be an answer and i think it will come out of hard-earned
experience over the next few decades in the book brave new world we see that
advancements in technology medical etc but they cause or that they can cause
new and worse problems to arise could cutting-edge technology cause the mass
extinction of organic humans that the current day humans that if we were to
enhance human beings and say twenty-five percent of the humans take these
enhancements could there be new illnesses new diseases that are born to
tackle the new enhanced humans that might just be like a small code to them
but to us it’s going to completely wipe us out well obviously the potential is there
for these sorts of things to happen i’m a lot of it depends on how we solve
these problems these bioethical problems step-by-step as we go forward and as a
you know having a things like artificial organs inevitably will create issues
that we may not be able to anticipate today and and you know we have two on a
level say okay we know that we’re going to have issues that we can’t predict
will we are what we be able to solve them so i think the decision there it is
a decision it’s a decision of whether we go forward with a certain level of faith
and confidence that we will solve these problems as we go along or if we decide
no we don’t really trust people to solve this problem so we’re going to shut down
research I don’t think that’s a realistic option I i think if the
technology exists there will be a demand for it no especially when you have a for-profit
medical system like we have in America I think its people can stave off
disability and gas those are those are very compelling needs and you cannot
really turn that off I i think people will demand the technology and the
cutting edges of the cutting edge of technology as long as it exists and as
long as the possibility is there so I happen to be one of those people who
think that well ultimately i think we can make a lot of mistakes but
ultimately I i do have a certain level of confidence that we will be able to
harness these technologies and use them appropriately mhm one thing that was coming to my mind
as i was reading your book there’s nothing in your book about this for my
mind works strangely it’s one of those stranger things is that I was wondering
if in the future we could get rid of the racial divide as in genetically change
the DNA of every single human being introduced all racial DNA’s into each
person like we can create a child that is Caucasian african-american Asian
whatever you will and that get rid of the racial issues well you know I happen to be an optimist
so you know my my thoughts on the matter better probably so little bit skewed in
the direction of a you know being optimistic but you know people are
actually doing that already you know and it just in terms of inter marriage we
have more intermarriage today than we ever had we have more children who are
are racially mixed then have ever existed in the history of the world and
i think is we continue to see you know masses migrations of people so that you
know the people of Europe have actually have a quite a few Africans and Middle
Eastern people and people of other Asian races that are moving into Europe so I
think over time especially if we continue to have the right kind of
social climate that more and more people will enter marry and have children of
mixed race and that eventually over a long period of time race will become
completely meant meaningless it just won’t be an issue certainly hope so I
certainly hope that’s the way it is i personally have Native American blood in
me i’m irish scottish english cetera and I was raised around a african-americans
all my life i love them just like they were my family members some of them
that’s just where I was raised so when I see this huge racial divide when I
became average and I got out in the real world it was a huge it just blew my mind
because that wasn’t the way I was raised and I wish more people could see the way
I see things that there’s no real difference between us and other people
or the difference is so tiny so minuscule I mean even you know for the
scientists who study raise the genetic differences between uh northern european
and say an American Indian are so infinitely infinitesimally I mean every
far less than 1% we have very few changes very very few differences
between us and you know the problem is social the problem really is social because if
we can accept the fact that we’re all one big melting pot and actually talk
about your heritage and then that’s very interesting because you know 200 years
ago you would not have seen people who have that kind of mix in their heritage
the United States was a huge experiment in that respect we’re mixing we don’t consider you know
Irish and and French as a mixing races but genetically we are so I mean you
know I think that’s already happening and nothing terrible has happened i
think you’re American people haven’t have a very rich genetic history and
that’s been very good for us and I think that’s a good thing and I think we’ll
see more of it mhm let’s hope so let’s hope so in your
book again it’s beyond human how cutting-edge science is extending our
lives you do discuss how nanotechnology i believe it is could be going into her
brain and enhancing our intelligence may be helping us think but what’s the
potential of somebody hacking into the nanotechnology and taking over your
thoughts well it is a huge problem and you know I think we all know by now that
there is no such thing as cybersecurity to make matters a little more
complicated all the implants that people are receiving whether their cardiac
devices or brain implants or artificial organs are more other kinds of
monitoring devices are creating a data stream that data stream is going into
your electronic health record eventually so there’s a movement in medicine now to
put everything into an electronic record as we accept these implants and over
time those records will contain a huge amount of data about us that includes
brain implants I mean you can put in their brain implants being to let being
developed by the US military to treat traumatic brain injury that
will actually enhance memory well they do that but they also submit
information wirelessly they transmit information wirelessly so anything that
is transmittable is hackable and that is a problem and I don’t know that we have
an answer to that I think that’s another question that we need to be looking very
carefully at is who has access to the most influent intimate information about
us and that is what’s going on in our brains because implants are now being
developed that not only read brain signals and and deliver pulses and cause
changes in the brain but also receive signals from the brain and also are able
to on some level created database that tells other people potentially maybe not
specifically what I thoughts are a but something along those lines something
close enough that we we should be concerned and I i think it is a concern
I I don’t have the answer to that but I it’s something it’s another issue that
is so much bigger than all of this it’s a huge issue going forward in the future
and every level it’s also interesting but it’s it can be scary if it’s in the
wrong hands the like you said there’s an ethical dilemma potentially and we have
to get around that we have to figure out what the best options are how we’re
going to handle each situation to decide what the laws are going to be what’s the
boundaries absolutely i mean there should be a bill
of rights for patients who have electronic data in existence about their
about their biological and even their mental processes I think we need a bill
of rights and it’s something that definitely should be looked at and i am
a little disappointed that you know there isn’t in the political season that
there isn’t more discussion about these types of technologies and the need to
create some kind of regulatory emphasis infrastructure not only now only but internationally to to basically
harness and contain and keep this information safe and out of the wrong
hands I have to assume that the average person
whether they’re the average American or elsewhere that they’re just not aware
that this technology is even being brought to light that it’s just not
being discussed so therefore they don’t know anything about it and that’s why
it’s not being discussed politically absolutely it’s not and you know and
that’s that’s something that are our journalistic community also needs to
pick up on i think it is reported on it is the this information is out there and
it’s discoverable but most people don’t know that it exists so how do you go out
looking for something that you don’t know exist that’s a real problem I and
you know it is something that people need to educate themselves about because
i think in the future and evidently we will be creating regulations to control
this technology and if you’re gonna be you know an educated voter in a system
like ours you really need to have a basic understanding of the science and
and where it’s going mmm yes speaking of educated voters I
heard something what was it that a lot of voters aren’t educated that they just
vote for whoever is that at the very top of the list that’s a poor decision okay well it’s
not an educated system you know that’s that’s the problem and I I honestly with
you know that’s a whole other show we go talk about that for another hour but
it’s true i mean there is a dirt and understanding out there about where the
technology is and that was going to you know greatly impact those of us who were
alive today yes it will really about definitely
appreciated that you came here with us this evening has been truly fascinating
i love your book again it is beyond human how cutting-edge science is
standing our lives and folks I i definitely recommend that you read this
book it is available through amazon and I guess through most of the bookstore’s
right Eve yeah it’s out there and now it’s in barnes and noble that you can
order it easily on amazon before we go is there anything you would like to
share with the audience and no I think we’ve pretty much touched on the
important issues and a you certainly a you know brought up the bioethical side
of things and that I think is decide that people need to get engaged in I
mean even if you’re you know the average person isn’t going to sit down and read
a scientific paper but if you understand that these this really hit home I mean
these issues do hit home and there are ethical you know decisions to be made
that can very intimately effect effect you want a personal level and you need
to know about that mmm one more thing that just came to
mind when we’re talking about transhumanism and nanotechnology how it
can change our lives with stem cells etc with this make it easier for people who
think that they have been born in the wrong body to physically change to
change from male to female physically you know if for example I mean this is
just pure speculation that for example if you could create artificial glands
that actually do i generate hormones and transplant those into people then
potentially you could I mean now we have people who are tendered who take
hormones but if you had a gland you had an artificial gland in your body that
was creating testosterone on a regular basis surely that would be more effective than
just giving yourself a shot every so often em nosso president you know I mean
it’s possible anything is possible at this point I think the important thing is that we
know where we’re going with this we understand that you know when you
make changes like that to your body most of them are not reversible so I
think that’s where the conversation needs to be on that is that yes we will
have much more effective ways of doing all of these things but because they’re
so effective they won’t be reversible and that ladies and gentlemen was Eve
Harold Yves book is beyond human hell cutting-edge science is extending our
lives and again if you are interested in reading the book you can go to
mysterious matters.com / beyond human so folks what do you think after listening
to this program what do you think belt extending our
lives becoming beyond human would it be like where we may be enhancing ourselves
who might be changing humanity but for the worse with that so ladies and
gentlemen until the next time we do come back together I wish you all a kind farewell yeah yeah On this edition of an ward winning radio show that is catching up to Coast to Coast AM we have on Eve Herold. Topics for today will include designer babies, growing organs through stem cell research and cloning of Humans. Artificial Pancreas and Artificial Kidneys Coast to Coast 2016, Paranormal Radio This has been Mysterious Matters, the number one, world popular Paranormal Podcast. yeah yeah yeah

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